Jeremy P said

Bert H. said

  

It was the same thing for the Model 1894 SRCs... the barrel proof mark was stamped in front of the rear sight instead of the caliber stamp.
 
Bert
  

This last pic Bert is good, I wouldn't have trusted this as a whole if I'd just found this at a show on my own....looks "weird"!
  

Interestingly, nearly all of the Model 1894 Carbine barrels with the proof mark stamp in front of the rear sight are also the "August 14" Patent date error barrels that were manufactured in the year 1907.

Bert

Bert H. said

It was the same thing for the Model 1894 SRCs... the barrel proof mark was stamped in front of the rear sight instead of the caliber stamp.

 
Bert
  

This last pic Bert is good, I wouldn't have trusted this as a whole if I'd just found this at a show on my own....looks "weird"!

twobit said

mark minnillo said
This is on an 1892 special order rifle. Half round half octagon, half mag, and shotgun butt. Gun made in 1907. Am I correct that "technically" there were only 3 years of production when both caliber markings and WP proof marks were on top of the barrel?
  

Hello Mark,
The proof marks began to appear on the top of the barrel along with the caliber stamp during mid 1905 (approximately SN 300000) on the Model 1892 and persisted until the SN 420000 range which corresponds to Feb 1908.  Sporadic occurrences continue well into 1909.  On many SRC's the barrel proof was located in front of the rear sight as opposed to adjacent to the caliber stamp.
Michael
  

It was the same thing for the Model 1894 SRCs... the barrel proof mark was stamped in front of the rear sight instead of the caliber stamp.

Bert

mark minnillo said
This is on an 1892 special order rifle. Half round half octagon, half mag, and shotgun butt. Gun made in 1907. Am I correct that "technically" there were only 3 years of production when both caliber markings and WP proof marks were on top of the barrel?
  

Hello Mark,

The proof marks began to appear on the top of the barrel along with the caliber stamp during mid 1905 (approximately SN 300000) on the Model 1892 and persisted until the SN 420000 range which corresponds to Feb 1908.  Sporadic occurrences continue well into 1909.  On many SRC's the barrel proof was located in front of the rear sight as opposed to adjacent to the caliber stamp.

Michael

Thanks to Bert for educating us, and thanks to Mark for posting this thread.

Tony

I am learning some interesting facts about this rifle. I should also be receiving copies of some letters/notes from Dr Pardee's "shooting diary", for lack of a better discription.

For the Model 1894, it wasn't even quite 3-years.  Winchester began Proof marking the barrels and receiver frame ring in July 1905 and in late 1907, the caliber marking began transitioning to the left side of the barrel.  I suspect that the Model 1892 was the same.

Bert

BPJACK said
Here are the under forearm markings. Can anyone share some of your expert knowledge on interpreting these markings?  I know the 285 is the Pope barrel number. 
 
Thanks
 
Jack
  

I have no idea what they markings are.  They were most likely something that Pope stamped on thee barrel.

Bert

Thanks

Jack

BPJACK said
That tang sight turns out to be an Axtell with their A inside a shield mark on the underside of the base.  
I took the Pope out for its first outing yesterday.  Managed this 200 yd 5 shot group with the Lyman receiver iron sights.  I think its a keeper.
 
Jack
  

The Axtell tang sights are top notch.

I took the Pope out for its first outing yesterday.  Managed this 200 yd 5 shot group with the Lyman receiver iron sights.  I think its a keeper.

Jack