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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on 1907 SL</title>
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<p><strong>steve004 said </strong><br />
.351 SL brass presents a challenge.  Mainly because the big ammunition manufacturers haven't made it for many years.  Handloaders have used a variety of methods to make their own.  In more recent times, the .357 Maximum and .360 Dan Wesson seem to be the most workable candidates for a parent case for alteration.  For those on a budget, .223 cases have been made to work.<br />
I have fired .351's (and .32 SL's and .35 SL's) while standing in grass.  Wow - these cases have a knack for disappearing quick!  Here's a tip:  go back at night with a flashlight and you can find the ones you missed.<br />
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<p>I’m planning to take my $40 metal detector with me.  It’s not the best, but it works. The kids play with it and for things like this, it will save you a lot of time.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 16:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on 1907 SL</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>.351 SL brass presents a challenge.  Mainly because the big ammunition manufacturers haven't made it for many years.  Handloaders have used a variety of methods to make their own.  In more recent times, the .357 Maximum and .360 Dan Wesson seem to be the most workable candidates for a parent case for alteration.  For those on a budget, .223 cases have been made to work.</p>
<p>I have fired .351's (and .32 SL's and .35 SL's) while standing in grass.  Wow - these cases have a knack for disappearing quick!  Here's a tip:  go back at night with a flashlight and you can find the ones you missed.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 16:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on 1907 SL</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I ordered ammo from Ventura Munitions in Vegas.  I believe your friend already has this information.  I’m planning to put a few more rounds through it today.  Just going to see what kind of group I can make at 50 yds off hand.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 16:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 1907 SL</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>It is critical that the 351 cartridge is reloaded to factory specifications.  The blow-back action will not function properly with loads that are too light, and if too heavy, they will damage the action (buffers).</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 16:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 1907 SL</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
What ammo were you using? A friend is trying to get his to function and we think it's ammo. Do you have a set of calipers by chance? Would like know overall length of the cartridge <br />
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on 1907 SL</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>What ammo were you using? A friend is trying to get his to function and we think it's ammo. Do you have a set of calipers by chance? Would like know overall length of the cartridge </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 15:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on 1907 SL</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I started a thread on the .351 SL last year.  You may find it of interest:</p>
<p><a href="https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/the-power-of-the-351-sl/" target="_blank">https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/the-power-of-the-351-sl/</a></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 14:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on 1907 SL</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="5314" data-height="1130" title="IMG_2490-1.jpeg" alt="IMG_2490-1.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/midwestcrisis/2026/08/IMG_2490-1.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_2493.jpeg" alt="IMG_2493.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/midwestcrisis/2026/08/IMG_2493.jpeg" />I got this one at an online auction for a little over a good dance.  Then I found out if you want to shoot it, you need to know how to make the cartridges.   <br />
I found some ammunition on line and it showed up when the rifle did, after a good cleaning and function check, I put a couple rounds through it and it functions flawlessly. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 04:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>426crown on Winchester High Finished Arms</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Some of you may not be aware, Buffalo Arms sells reprints--Bill</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on 92 Trapper at auction</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p> <em>Any chance that the catalog has more 1892 rifles with the serial numbers listed?</em></p>
<p>Michael - that would be very cool if the serial numbers were included in the descriptions but alas they were not.</p>
<p>There were over 50 Model 1892's, the majority of them quite special.  There was a musket, a cutaway carbine, a cutaway rifle, a whole lot of Trapper carbines, in all chamberings, and quite the variety of barrel lengths - starting at 12 inches - and including 17 inch.  Also an engraved Trapper, a "MGM Movie gun", a smooth bore short rifle, a 14-inch octagon barrel short rifle and then one of my favorites, a 15 inch round barrel short rifle with full magazine, pistol grip and shotgun butt (pictured in the Winchester Handbook by Madis). </p>
<p>It would be helpful for me to have your attitude about Trapper carbines.  That would have spared me much envy-induced agony. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>twobit on 92 Trapper at auction</title>
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Here is another example of crazy supposed values of a rifle.  I have now seen this rifle for sale four individual times in 8 years.  It was first sold at Julia's in March of 2018 for $9200.  It was subsequently listed at Merz for $15,000.  Then, in October of 2025 it was "sold at RIA" for $5875!!!  THEN.. agian it was listed at Merz in March of 2026 for $27,500 where it still sits.  <a href="https://www.merzantiques.com/product/w4463-special-order-winchester-1892-pistol-grip-checkered-rifle-in-caliber-25-20-m/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.merzantiques.com/product/w4463-special-order-winchester-1892-pistol-grip-checkered-rifle-in-caliber-25-20-m/</a><br />
Back to your original question.  The OP's trapper is probably worth someplace between $6000 and $20,000.  Or much higher if the Poulin buyer, and his competition are still in the game.  Or maybe not.<br />
Michael<br />
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<p>Michael - <br />
Not to make this a competition but I've seen it for sale more times than four.  And Merz has had it up for offer at least three times - spanning 37 years. Here it is in his 1990 catalog.  A large part of his catalog #67 featured the James Huntley Model 1892 short rifle and trapper carbine collection.  This rifle was mixed in with it so I wonder if Jim hadn't owned it?<br />
I sure wouldn't have minded buying it for $5875!  I wouldn't even mind paying the juice on that amount.<br />
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<p>WOW!!  That is amazing to have and resold that rifle so many times.  Any chance that the catalog has more 1892 rifles with the serial numbers listed?</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 12:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Tedk on Model 70 Question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Not to hijack the post, but since Leupold 4x scopes were mentioned if anyone is looking I have a couple vintage Leupold gloss M8 4x’s scopes I can list in the Classifieds. All are very nice scopes with (1972) pre-letter prefix serial numbers. Very clean, clear glass, I collected and if the price was right bought every nice gloss Leupold I came across for the last 40 years</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 19:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Winchester High Finished Arms</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Speak of the devil, just released...beautiful!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 19:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>triggerhappy on Model 70 Question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I live in Western Oregon and hunted here most of my life. The thick forests are to be avoided for hunting. There may be animals in there, but you will not see them. There are long range shots available because there is extensive logging everywhere. What it comes down to is the type of hunting you will do, and the range required. If you take a stand your shot may still need to come quick. It's extremely hard to sneak around as your going to be moving everything away from you. With hunters everywhere they may run something in front of you while moving, but your better chance is getting to a pre-determined location before daybreak, and being still. It's safer too because bubba just saw a buck you spooked and now he see something moving in the brush, and it could be you. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Winchester High Finished Arms</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="444" data-height="640" title="IMG_3900.jpeg" alt="IMG_3900.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/steve004/2026/08/IMG_3900.jpeg" />Here's one Merz had.  Many of us have seen this rifle drawing in the Madis Winchester book. I'm not aware of any actual photo of the rifle - if I was - I've forgotten This is from his catalog 78 which would have been toward the middle 1990's.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 17:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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