mark minnillo said
OK fellas thoughts on this "carbine"? The barrel is 20". No marks from a front band nor band screw. Original?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1162118436
  

Not much finish. Thoughts on value?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1162118436

twobit said

Hello James,
I have looked at the production ledgers for the first 288,000 Model 1892's that were manufactured.  It is not uncommon to find discreet batches of semi deluxe and deluxe rifles that were not entered into the warehouse until more than a year after the receivers were serialized.  I know that the serialization date is supposedly the "Date of Manufacture" but in these cases the fully assembled rifles (manufactured) did not occur until years afterwards.  It is my feeling that these receivers were of a slightly higher quality than what might be typical and were set aside for use in special order or deluxe rifles.  I have no direct proof of that but there is a fairly strong correlation between these "delayed receivers" and the use on deluxe rifles.  
Were the stocks checkered on the rifle that you looked at?  What was the shape of the barrel?
Michael
  

I have a similar but slightly different theory... Specifically, I have long suspected that Winchester's production foreman occasionally requested small batches of receiver frames to be given extra care in the polishing and finishing process and then to be set aside for assembling the Fancy Sporting Rifles.  If there is any validity to my theory, that could explain the sometimes long interval between the serialization process and the eventual assembly process.

Bert

James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx  with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
  

Hello James,

I have looked at the the production ledgers for the first 288,000 Model 1892's that were manufactured.  It is not uncommon to find discreet batches of semi deluxe and deluxe rifles that were not entered into the warehouse until more than a year after the receivers were serialized.  I know that the serialization date is supposedly the "Date of Manufacture" but in these cases the fully assembled rifles (manufactured) did not occur until years afterwards.  It is my feeling that these receivers were of a slightly higher quality than what might be typical and were set aside for use in special order or deluxe rifles.  I have no direct proof of that but there is a fairly strong correlation between these "delayed receivers" and the use on deluxe rifles.  

Were the stocks checkered on the rifle that you looked at?  What was the shape of the barrel?

Michael

mrcvs said

James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx  with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
  

This isn’t  all that uncommon.  My understanding is that receivers were made in batches, generally first in, first out, but, on occasion, a batch would not have been completely exhausted, a few left over from time to time, these residuals could remain until all receivers were utilized, this sometimes being years later.
  

Read Bert’s answer in post 3.  He said it better than I.  

James Fenderson said
Didn't realize they serial the receiver after they where batched thought where serial when the built the gun 
  

The receiver frames were serialized after all milling operations were complete and the rough polishing. After serialization, they were final polished and then sent to the bluing room.  After bluing (and oiling), they were placed in bins and sent to the assembly room.

Bert

The Madis published DOM information is grossly erroneous for several different models (notably the Single Shot, 1892, and 1894).  Model 1892 serial numbers 94100 - 94199 were all manufactured in May 1898. 

Because Winchester did not use a "first in, first out" assembly process, it is entirely possible to find older serialized receiver frames that were not fully assembled and sent to the warehouse for several years. The receiver frame in question undoubtedly sat in the bottom of a parts bin/rack for several years before it was eventually used to assemble a rifle.

Bert

James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx  with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
  

This isn’t  all that uncommon.  My understanding is that receivers were made in batches, generally first in, first out, but, on occasion, a batch would not have been completely exhausted, a few left over from time to time, these residuals could remain until all receivers were utilized, this sometimes being years later.

Other than the fact that I think their 98% condition estimate is a little generous (and maybe some added varnish), the only thing that jumps out to me on first look is that the barrel proof is VERY close to the wood.  That's often a sign of a replaced stock.  The fact that it's machine checkered isn't, of itself, a cause for concern (IMHO).  It's in the "overlap zone" where you can find both hand and machine checkered stocks (all with plastic butt plates).  But a LOT of 300 H&H Magnums got recoil pads and replacing a stock to generate a "collector piece" isn't unusual.  The magazine well inletting of an H&H stock is about 3/16" longer (in the front), but it's easy enough to convert a standard stock to H&H with a rasp or Dremel (if you're motivated enough)...

What is triggering the "funny feeling"???

Just my take,

Lou