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                    <title>epoletna on Prewar 1937 Model 70 22 Hornet Carbine - bird in hand!</title>
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Edward:  I agree about needing to make a shorter action for short cartridges in the M70.  My M43 in .218 Bee has a trigger that is shameful.  Sure wish I could put an aftermarket trigger on it.  <br />
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epoletna said<br />
Edward:  I agree about needing to make a shorter action for short cartridges in the M70.  My M43 in .218 Bee has a trigger that is shameful.  Sure wish I could put an aftermarket trigger on it.  <br />
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<p>Have you tried adjusting the trigger in your Model 43?  The trigger in my Model 43 Hornet became much more mangagable after I used the adjustment  screw to reduce the pull tension.<br />
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<p>Bert:  I have tried to adjust the trigger, to no avail.  BTW, the provenance on your K-Hornet is outstanding!  Thank you for sharing.  Fred</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester Model 71 Drooping Lever</title>
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                    <title>sowinskiaaron@yahoo.com on Winchester Model 71 Drooping Lever</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I recently acquired a Winchester Model 71 Deluxe.  However it appears the leaver is loose or drooping.  Any pressure to the locking bolt and it drops down.  Do anyone have any suggestions as I want to get this rifle in the field for the PA rifle season.  I have not yet fired the rifle as I am waiting on a Williams FP-71 sight.  I was hoping to avoid a gunsmith trip and wondering if it is a fix I can do. </p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Aaron</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2026 16:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Expertise on the earlier 1886</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Dermot,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, your Model 1886 is not factory original with the short barrel and magazine.  Somebody in the past cut approximately 3-inches off of the muzzle end of the barrel and magazine tube.  As originally manuactured it had a 26-inch barrel and full length magazine tube.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2026 06:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on My newly acquired 1873 -s/n 433,646B Sporting Rifle</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looking under barrels is a little invasive since it’s easy to scratch the finish and disturb the grime that seals the mag tube to the rest of the gun which makes a gun that has never been messed with look to one that has so I don’t like to do it. Trying to figure out what the A.E. means is not going to be easy unless you find more occurrences of it or if its found in other models but to me with the periods after the letters  it is probably initials of someone. The stamp looks to be a single stamp not individual stamps and the periods are square which is seen in early stamps.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2026 04:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Dermot on Expertise on the earlier 1886</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Wondering who the WACA go-to experts / historians are on the early Model 1886, to share photos and knowledge etc.</p>
<p>Mine is s/n 11,989, for which I have a Cody letter.  Serialized Friday December 16, 1887.  Received in Warehouse Friday <img data-upload="1" data-width="1598" data-height="391" title="Right-hand-side.jpeg" alt="Right-hand-side.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/dermot/2026/11/Right-hand-side.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="2042" title="Lower-tang.jpeg" alt="Lower-tang.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/dermot/2026/11/Lower-tang.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="3554" title="Caliber-stamp.jpeg" alt="Caliber-stamp.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/dermot/2026/11/Caliber-stamp.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="1651" title="Barrel-stamp.jpeg" alt="Barrel-stamp.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/dermot/2026/11/Barrel-stamp.jpeg" />Dec 30 1887, shipped Thursday Jan 12, 1888</p>
<p>Amazingly RIAC has one up for the December auction serialised ONE DAY later.  I asked them to share my contact details with the buyer.  Probably the very same craftsmen assembled, fitted and checked the two.  Both are 40-65 with short barrels.</p>
<p>Like my just-acquired 1873 and my 1892, this was a deceased estate gun stored for a long long time.  I've yet to fully disassemble and clean it.  I use pure gum turpentine, lightly, then very lightly oil the wood with boiled linseed oil, then a coat of Renaissance Wax.  Conservation and preservation for future generations.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2026 04:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Dermot on My newly acquired 1873 -s/n 433,646B Sporting Rifle</title>
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<p><strong>twobit said </strong><br />
Dermot,<br />
I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work.  Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it.  My email is <a href="mailto:2bitrifles@gmail.com" target="_blank">2bitrifles@gmail.com</a><br />
Michael<br />
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<p>Shared a bunch via Dropbox. S/N 151, 147, October 1900</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2026 03:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Dermot on My newly acquired 1873 -s/n 433,646B Sporting Rifle</title>
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Dermot,<br />
Bob, (1873man), is our resident expert on the model 1873, and has much knowledge on these as his ongoing survey, picked up and continued from his good friend, Author/researcher, James Gordon, (Winchester Books Vol l $ ll ), and will be along to help out with anything we miss, as I'm thinking he might be at the current Tulsa show, along with a few other members, but his evening might find him checking in here and adding to this, or make some corrections.He can also check to see if it's in his survey and if it is the same configuration, as it looks to be all correct, as it left the factory. Bob's knowledge and information is second to none. IMO!<br />
I'll try to add what he's taught me, on another thread for one of mine. Good job on the pictures, as it takes a bit for some of us but you did a nice job of showing us what is needed. Always the more, you add, the better it is for us. <br />
You're third model 1873, mfg. in 1892, in 38-40, as you stated, with half magazine, looks all original. As you know the 38-40, caliber is the .38 WCF, and probably stamped so.<br />
In Gordon's book he explains and talks about the barrel under stamps as it's pretty well broken down, but with the different inspectors back in the day and varying marks, sometimes we can try to over diagnose or expect more explanation, as these inspectors marks or stamps can vary. <br />
Here's what Bob had said about my third model 73 src, that I had asked about, as his explanation is very good and it helped me out. IMO!<br />
Bob, (1873man), Said,<br />
Tony,<br />
Those are Inspection or tests the barrel went through. The first 73’s had “CCC” then it went to”+++” for a short time at the end of the first models and then it was “123” for the rest of production. You will find barrels without them.<br />
My 73 src, had the standard, "123', as Bob explained and is in Gordon's book. Your 1873 rifle,  has the "punch dot", in front of the "2", instead of the, "1", in, "123" ! <br />
Bob<br />
So getting back to you're 73 rifle, in Gordon's book, he explains each barrel was subject to a three part test, as the first mark, the punch dot, is a test, as is the, "2", as is the, "3".  Not sure what the "A.E", is, but I assume it's an inspectors mark, as maybe his initials of his name, identifying him,(as some inspectors did), as I don't see anything like that, in Gordon's book, (but there is other initial letters in his book, just not yours). Maybe Bob can help identify those letters, and add more, or correct me. The upside down "VP", in the circle is another barrel test, meaning violent proof, on the strength of the barrel. The "p", on the front of the receiver is another test proof stamp, but for the receiver.<br />
Tony<br />
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<p>Yes, Bob is fantastic .  I have been in communication prior to joining with him and also Michael Puzio (1892 guru)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2026 01:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Dermot on My newly acquired 1873 -s/n 433,646B Sporting Rifle</title>
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<p><strong>twobit said </strong><br />
Dermot,<br />
I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work.  Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it.  My email is <a href="mailto:2bitrifles@gmail.com" target="_blank">2bitrifles@gmail.com</a><br />
Michael<br />
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<p>Absolutely, will do Michael</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2026 01:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Henry Mero on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Good luck finding 100% accurate information elsewhere. It would be impossible for any one to give You an accurate assesment without seeing the gun at least in pictures or even better "in hand".   Harry</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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<strong><a href="mailto:jim@wjharrison.com" target="_blank">jim@wjharrison.com</a> said </strong><br />
Gents:<br />
Went to post some pics of my Winchester 1873 as requested. I discovered through other complaints on the site that posting photos is not allowed except by paying members. I have never encountered that restriction on other sites. <br />
Now I understand the requests of multiple members i have received to email photos to them directly.<br />
I hope this rule serves the community well. For now, I think I will head a different direction to discover more about this cool rifle.<br />
Best, <br />
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<p>It does indeed serve the WACA community <em><strong>very</strong></em> well, as it prevents the Chinese, Russian, North Korean, and every other rogue country or entity from inundating our privately owned and operated website with Spam, Porn, and every other type of unwanted material.  WACA is not like a large company/corporation that employs a team of cyber experts to prevent illicit internet activity.  Acordingly, we (I) control what can and cannot be posted on our website through a rigorous registration system and built in User access safeguards.</p>
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                    <title>1873man on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>You can post pictures but you have to post them to a 3rd party host site and then put the link in your post otherwise like I offered before email to me at the below address and I can post them for you. I think they do it as an incentive to be a paid member. I help people that email me from all over the world to answer questions about their 73. I do this since it helps me with the research I’m doing on the 73.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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                    <title>jim@wjharrison.com on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Gents:</p>
<p>Went to post some pics of my Winchester 1873 as requested. I discovered through other complaints on the site that posting photos is not allowed except by paying members. I have never encountered that restriction on other sites. </p>
<p>Now I understand the requests of multiple members i have received to email photos to them directly.</p>
<p>I hope this rule serves the community well. For now, I think I will head a different direction to discover more about this cool rifle.</p>
<p>Best, </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2026 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>twobit on My newly acquired 1873 -s/n 433,646B Sporting Rifle</title>
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<p>The reason the upload was so slow was because your file size is large.  Either split them into 2 sets or stay around 2 mb per picture.  I'm surprised that 16 mb loaded at all. <br />
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<p>It shows that the images are in the 2 to 6 MB per each.</p>
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                    <title>Chuck on My newly acquired 1873 -s/n 433,646B Sporting Rifle</title>
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It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.<br />
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<p>I added 5 photos but that didn't work.  My first post and trying to work the forum out.<br />
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It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.<br />
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<p>I added 5 photos but that didn't work.  My first post and trying to work the forum out.<br />
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<p>Uploaded the same 5 photos again but the upload stopped for ages at 75%.  Hopefully this works...<br />
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<p>The reason the upload was so slow was because your file size is large.  Either split them into 2 sets or stay around 2 mb per picture.  I'm surprised that 16 mb loaded at all. </p>
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