If someone bought it for 20k in 2025 would they sell it for 7k? Maybe no sale or was returned. T/R

Right now I have a problem, and am hoping for some guidance on a second model '73 in 38 wcf. This rifle came to me with a lever that when fully closed, does not reach the "catch", as it falls short by about an eighth of an inch.The action felt tight and operates as it should, and my mind went to several scenarios as to what would cause this.

- (1) extended flat piece on rear of lever had been broken off a bit then smoothed down, causing it to be too short, (2) lever had been replaced perhaps with one that just wasn't right for the gun, (3) lever could be bent slightly which causes said shortage. I research best I could online (including this forum) and found nothing conclusive, so I purchased a vintage and correct (from same 2nd model sn range), and this lever is the exact same dimensions visually.

So, I'm now back to square one but inclined to think the lever is not the problem.

I don't see any apparent adjustment in positioning of the catch itself. Perhaps there is adjustment in how the lever rests horizontally or maybe a weakened spring that affects same? I have to figure how to get these two parts about a quarter inch closer together. See pics... Thoughts anyone ? 

Thx-Joe

Hi guys, I’m  thinking of adding a 66 to my collection and curious if you guys see anything wrong with this one? Appreciate any help! Thanks

1892takedown said

Hi Bert,
In your survey with regards to 2/3 mag with shotgun butt, how many of those 196 have a fluted comb.  Is there any correlation between those with fluted comb having a hard rubber buttplate versus those unfluted with a different style buttplate?  If I remember, hopefully correctly, you start seeing these eastern carbines in this configureation in about the 600K serial range (eastern carbine, shotgun butt, fluted comb, 2/3 magazine, mostly in 30WCF but I think maybe also 32WS only). 
Just curious, They arent rare by any stretch, but are a bit different in the sense they have a fluted comb with a common configuration.  
Thanks
Chris
  

Nearly all of Carbines with the fluted comb butt stock also has a shotgun butt.  While the black hard rubber BP is the most common of the shotgun butts, the smooth steel, checkered steel, serrated steel butt plates were also used with the fluted comb stocks.  The key is the shotgun butt.  The fluted comb stocks began to appear in the later 500,000 serial range (latter half of the year 1911), and they became commonly used in the 600,000+ serial range.  The fluted comb stocks were put into standard production in 1924 (Models 53 and 55).

Bert H. said

mark minnillo said
OK fellas thoughts on this "carbine"? The barrel is 20". No marks from a front band nor band screw. Original?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1162118436
  

It is a typical "Eastern" Carbine, with a 2/3 mag and shotgun butt.  Currently, I have (196) of them documented in my survey.  The 2/3 mag length was more common than the 1/2 mag length by a 2:1 ratio.
Bert
  

Hi Bert,

In your survey with regards to 2/3 mag with shotgun butt, how many of those 196 have a fluted comb.  Is there any correlation between those with fluted comb having a hard rubber buttplate versus those unfluted with a different style buttplate?  If I remember, hopefully correctly, you start seeing these eastern carbines in this configureation in about the 600K serial range (eastern carbine, shotgun butt, fluted comb, 2/3 magazine, mostly in 30WCF but I think maybe also 32WS only). 

Just curious, They arent rare by any stretch, but are a bit different in the sense they have a fluted comb with a common configuration.  

Thanks

Chris

mark minnillo said
OK fellas thoughts on this "carbine"? The barrel is 20". No marks from a front band nor band screw. Original?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1162118436
  

It is a typical "Eastern" Carbine, with a 2/3 mag and shotgun butt.  Currently, I have (196) of them documented in my survey.  The 2/3 mag length was more common than the 1/2 mag length by a 2:1 ratio.

Bert

mark minnillo said
OK fellas thoughts on this "carbine"? The barrel is 20". No marks from a front band nor band screw. Original?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1162118436
  

Not much finish. Thoughts on value?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1162118436

twobit said

Hello James,
I have looked at the production ledgers for the first 288,000 Model 1892's that were manufactured.  It is not uncommon to find discreet batches of semi deluxe and deluxe rifles that were not entered into the warehouse until more than a year after the receivers were serialized.  I know that the serialization date is supposedly the "Date of Manufacture" but in these cases the fully assembled rifles (manufactured) did not occur until years afterwards.  It is my feeling that these receivers were of a slightly higher quality than what might be typical and were set aside for use in special order or deluxe rifles.  I have no direct proof of that but there is a fairly strong correlation between these "delayed receivers" and the use on deluxe rifles.  
Were the stocks checkered on the rifle that you looked at?  What was the shape of the barrel?
Michael
  

I have a similar but slightly different theory... Specifically, I have long suspected that Winchester's production foreman occasionally requested small batches of receiver frames to be given extra care in the polishing and finishing process and then to be set aside for assembling the Fancy Sporting Rifles.  If there is any validity to my theory, that could explain the sometimes long interval between the serialization process and the eventual assembly process.

Bert

James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx  with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
  

Hello James,

I have looked at the the production ledgers for the first 288,000 Model 1892's that were manufactured.  It is not uncommon to find discreet batches of semi deluxe and deluxe rifles that were not entered into the warehouse until more than a year after the receivers were serialized.  I know that the serialization date is supposedly the "Date of Manufacture" but in these cases the fully assembled rifles (manufactured) did not occur until years afterwards.  It is my feeling that these receivers were of a slightly higher quality than what might be typical and were set aside for use in special order or deluxe rifles.  I have no direct proof of that but there is a fairly strong correlation between these "delayed receivers" and the use on deluxe rifles.  

Were the stocks checkered on the rifle that you looked at?  What was the shape of the barrel?

Michael

mrcvs said

James Fenderson said
I looked at a 92 deluxe rifle yesterday 44 caliber serial number 941xx  with a factory letter said received in warehouse on november 19 1902 shipped from warehouse on nov 20 1902 . Madis book showes 1895 did a internet serial number search said 1898 i know Madis numbers are off a few years . Where was this resiver been hidding for four years
  

This isn’t  all that uncommon.  My understanding is that receivers were made in batches, generally first in, first out, but, on occasion, a batch would not have been completely exhausted, a few left over from time to time, these residuals could remain until all receivers were utilized, this sometimes being years later.
  

Read Bert’s answer in post 3.  He said it better than I.