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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully you figure out the issue.  Looking forward to the pictures.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 18:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>rogertherelic on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I took pictures, but for some reason the camera isn't connecting to the computer.  Haven't figured out the problem.  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Embarassed" alt="Embarassed" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-embarassed.gif" /></p>
<p>I noticed this model 71 has the "W" stamp on the lower tang, in front of the trigger.</p>
<p>It does have the bolt peep and a filler in the barrel dovetail.</p>
<p>RDB</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 17:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>One lesson learned by working up a load and shooting the Whittington Center white buffalo at 1123 yards is that the black powder cartridge rifles stabilize the heavy lead bullets for a lot further than most folks realize. With a proper rifle, sight and ammunition it's not really all that difficult. Shooting it with a 38 or 44 WCF would be an interesting adventure. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 40-82 refinished???</title>
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<p><strong>Maverick said </strong><br />
Does that rifle come with a brand new Chevy or Ford pickup and they forgot to include the photos in the auction?<br />
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<p>Doubtful... it would have to be a "used" truck.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 07:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Bert,<br />
Much obliged.  I understand the left receiver wall of [some] early rifles were not tapped for a receiver sight.  Was that the case until the Lyman 56 was substituted for the 98a bolt peep? That would make sense.<br />
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<p>Winchester did not drill &#038; tap the receiver side walls for a receiver sight through the year 1947 unless a customer specifically ordered it.  The No. 98A Bolt Peep and the No. 22 K barrel mounted sight were the standard sights through 1947.  The Lyman No. 56 became standard peep sight in 1948, until it was replaced by the Lyman No. 66A in 1954.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 07:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 40-82 refinished???</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>A bag of lollipops ought to be included for the poor sucker who pays that kind of money for the rifle.</p>
<p>EDIT: I refer above to the 40-82 caliber, refinished 1886.</p>
<p>I don't have the Renneberg second edition so this image is the first I've seen of the 1894. It is a wonder to me how those case colors were successfully preserved over more than a Century. It must have seen the light of day infrequently after an initial period of field use that produced the wood finish scratches. It certainly ticks all the collector boxes and that stump Black Walnut is as good as any I've seen. </p>
<p>What interests me about the 1894's special order features is all but the wood and steel finishes were geared toward shooting. The customer didn't order engraving or inlays or elaborate checkering patterns. He spent money on sighting equipment and obviously intended to put the rifle to work, not just hang it on the wall. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 06:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert,</p>
<p>Much obliged.  I understand the left receiver wall of [some] early rifles were not tapped for a receiver sight.  Was that the case until the Lyman 56 was substituted for the 98a bolt peep? That would make sense.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 05:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Maverick on 40-82 refinished???</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Does that rifle come with a brand new Chevy or Ford pickup and they forgot to include the photos in the auction?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 04:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Maverick on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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<strong>TXGunNut said </strong><br />
One interesting observation about the write-up. Story is that one hundred barrels were tested, best barrel was set aside. Ten lots of barrels were tested, the ten best barrels were tested, best became part of a "One of One Thousand". The other nine barrels were used to build "One of One Hundred" rifles. Why do we not have nine "One of One Hundred" rifles for every " One of One Thousand"?<br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>All of that language spurs off of the original 1875 Advertisement Flyer for the 1 of 1000. It was just a Advertisement Ploy, they never tested them or serialized them as such. </p>
<p>The barrels should have read 1 of 100 for the 1of1,000 and 1 of 10 for the 1of100. For the Model 76 less than 60 1of1000s were made and less than 10 1of100s were made. </p>
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<strong>oldcrankyyankee said </strong><br />
Well if you to spend your money and for, what $4.00 more, I guess go for the gust and get the 1 of 1000. Guess that's why there are less 1 of 100,s. <br />
BTW, while we are on the subject of 1of 1000's, they had all these long range sight options and a lot of hoopla about they're unheard of accuracy right. Has anyone actually ever tried to shoot a 44 or 38 wcf 1000 yard's? I would love to see that.<br />
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<p>The 1,000 yards comes from the period Creedmoor Matches held at the Creedmoor Range in New York and its max range was 1,000 yards. And international teams of guys held competition there every year for a long time.<img data-upload="1" data-width="670" data-height="387" title="creedmoor-1874-planofrange.jpg" alt="creedmoor-1874-planofrange.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/maverick/2026/05/creedmoor-1874-planofrange.jpg" /></p>
<p>I've only ever made steel clang, but don't recall how far. The Matthew Quigley shoot in Montana has a life-sized Buffalo Steel target at 805 yards for you to hit. Most guys shoot something in 45 Gov. or close to it. There are guys that shoot .44 &#038; .38 caliber bullets, but in Montana they want a heavier grain bullet to cut through the wind. My dad and brother made up some special 550 grain 45 Gov rounds for the shoot. There was a guy that for years shot and I do believe won it while shooting a rifle chambered in 22Long Rifle. If you look in the 1878 Winchester Catalog a Capt. J.E. Stetson won a medal at 200 yards while standing using a Winchester. Along with winning another shoot with the highest scores for the "Running Deer" target at 100 yards. So I imagine most shooting competitions  of the time period were in this range. </p>
<p>Most people nowadays can't shoot, especially at a running target.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Maverick</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 04:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Unless "well over" means &#062;$2k USD and if it has condition, you bought a prewar 71 special at what I think is a bargain price. If it still has its original strap and its Supergrade swivels,  I'd bet somebody took good care of the rest of the rifle. <br />
I'm not knowledgeable enough to know whether an untapped receiver means a 98a would be correct for a 1940 d.o.m. <br />
I shoot my collection and need an aperture sight for my eyes. Somebody had robbed the 56W that had been original to my own 1949 gun. In my case, since I couldn't have the bolt peep, the tapped left receiver wall was serendipitous. My strong preference in micrometer receiver sights is the Redfield 70. It was tough finding the as new, steel Redfield 80W I finally paid too much for and nevertheless have to put up with target knobs. But, with a Redfield Sourdough up front and a generous aperture screwed in, the gun still suits me very well. It would likely be the last one I'd sell. <br />
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<p>Bill,</p>
<p>The No. 98A bolt peep was the standard peep sight through 1947 when it was replaced by the Lyman No. 56.  In the years prior to 1948, Winchester installed a significant number of Redfield No. 70 and No. 80 series sights on the Model 71 on special order.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on 40-82 refinished???</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The 1894 linked above is truly an exceptional gun. To the best of my limited knowledge the description is accurate and the author of the above-mentioned book made a wise choice when he put it on the cover of his book. I just finished re-reading the 2nd edition and will soon attempt to download the revision generously offered by the author awhile back. I'm surprised this rifle is available, in the light of six figures for a 1 of 1000 maybe this rifle represents an opportunity we may not see again.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 01:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I had the later (improved) version of the Model 71 and I feel it is a better gun mechanically than the revered 1886 chambered in a truly remarkable cartridge. I had poor luck coming up with a comfortable reduced load and abandoned the project after developing a full power load that was suitable but a little uncomfortable. I've had my fun with "thumpers" over the years but the increased risk of a detached retina takes the fun out of them at my age. I believe the Model 71 is a buyers' market these days as it took over a year to sell a rather nice example. I think if you have any reservations about this one I'd wait for another, there were at least five offered at the Cody show last year. The 71 is a great hunting rifle but quite honestly nothing in Texas needs that much killing, other than the occasional ill-tempered boar hog, and I already have just the prescription for his affliction. </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 01:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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<p><strong>MidwestCrisis said </strong><br />
There’s no checkering.  Most of the blue is there except the fore end cap.  Stock’s have a lot of use but not refinished.  Hoping that the wrist crack will scare most buyers away.   I was curious about the recoil.  I have a ‘69 model 70 in 338 WM and that’s about as hard as I like to get hit.  I’ll read Burt’s articles tonight.  <br />
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<p>Manageable recoil is subjective but the 338 Winchester Magnum generates significantly more foot pounds of recoil at a higher recoil velocity, than the 348 WCF, in guns and bullets of equal weight. </p>
<p>Subjectively, I don't find the recoil of my Model 70 30/06 with 180 grain bullets noticeably different than that of my Model 71 with 200 grain bullets, both loaded to factory velocities. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 01:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Unless "well over" means &#062;$2k USD and if it has condition, you bought a prewar 71 special at what I think is a bargain price. If it still has its original strap and its Supergrade swivels,  I'd bet somebody took good care of the rest of the rifle. </p>
<p>I'm not knowledgeable enough to know whether an untapped receiver means a 98a would be correct for a 1940 d.o.m. </p>
<p>I shoot my collection and need an aperture sight for my eyes. Somebody had robbed the 56W that had been original to my own 1949 gun. In my case, since I couldn't have the bolt peep, the tapped left receiver wall was serendipitous. My strong preference in micrometer receiver sights is the Redfield 70. It was tough finding the as new, steel Redfield 80W I finally paid too much for and nevertheless have to put up with target knobs. But, with a Redfield Sourdough up front and a generous aperture screwed in, the gun still suits me very well. It would likely be the last one I'd sell. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2026 00:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Model 71 Coming Up </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>There’s no checkering.  Most of the blue is there except the fore end cap.  Stock’s have a lot of use but not refinished.  Hoping that the wrist crack will scare most buyers away.   I was curious about the recoil.  I have a ‘69 model 70 in 338 WM and that’s about as hard as I like to get hit.  I’ll read Burt’s articles tonight.  </p>
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