Mike

mrcvs said

Henry Mero said
Here's My take on "fees" , eg: a Winchester with a real collector value of $10,000.00 sells at auction for that amount. breaking it down , sellers premium at 20%  He gets $8000.00 , auction house $2000.00 , buyers premium at 25% house gets $2500.00. taxes at .13% (Canada), plus shipping handling etc. The house comes out with $4500.00+, the seller with $8000, the gov't with $1300.00, but the buyer, (poor guy) , ends up with $14125.00+ in a $10,,00.00 gun.  The auction house is the only winner here, I, the buyer shoulda just offered the seller $9000.00 or payed the $10,000.00 and We'de both been ahead. Personal real experience, I just purchased a 1890 at R.I.A. for (hammer price) $2500.00 , total cost to Me $3,685.00 U.S.. I just bought a 1890 privately $2,975.00 shipped, total cost to Me $2,975.00U.S.. I think We should be talking with each other more and paying less attention to the auctions, We, sellers and buyers, would be a lot of $'s ahead and We would have a lot more gun shows again.
  

Others are saying the asking price of $10,175 is reasonable, and it is…sort of.  I would be happier at $8000 in today’s market.  And your assessment of the above is true.  The huge spread between what a rifle sells for at auction with all fees and what the seller nets.
Because of this, the Classifieds section of this forum should be vibrant.  And it isn’t.  It seems folks would rather risk netting less at auction in the hopes their prized firearm hammers after a healthy bidding war (and they net significantly more).
  

  Well said.

  You have to educate the seller and buyer. The seller has to resist the auction company pitch, not as easy as you think when someone is telling you how valuable your gun is. The buyer has to see good pictures and trust the seller. The Forum can help.

                                                                                                                          T/R

Henry Mero said
Here's My take on "fees" , eg: a Winchester with a real collector value of $10,000.00 sells at auction for that amount. breaking it down , sellers premium at 20%  He gets $8000.00 , auction house $2000.00 , buyers premium at 25% house gets $2500.00. taxes at .13% (Canada), plus shipping handling etc. The house comes out with $4500.00+, the seller with $8000, the gov't with $1300.00, but the buyer, (poor guy) , ends up with $14125.00+ in a $10,,00.00 gun.  The auction house is the only winner here, I, the buyer shoulda just offered the seller $9000.00 or payed the $10,000.00 and We'de both been ahead. Personal real experience, I just purchased a 1890 at R.I.A. for (hammer price) $2500.00 , total cost to Me $3,685.00 U.S.. I just bought a 1890 privately $2,975.00 shipped, total cost to Me $2,975.00U.S.. I think We should be talking with each other more and paying less attention to the auctions, We, sellers and buyers, would be a lot of $'s ahead and We would have a lot more gun shows again.
  

Others are saying the asking price of $10,175 is reasonable, and it is…sort of.  I would be happier at $8000 in today’s market.  And your assessment of the above is true.  The huge spread between what a rifle sells for at auction with all fees and what the seller nets.

Because of this, the Classifieds section of this forum should be vibrant.  And it isn’t.  It seems folks would rather risk netting less at auction in the hopes their prized firearm hammers after a healthy bidding war (and they net significantly more).

Buck1898 said
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1886/winchester-m1886-40-82-semi-dlx-set-trigger-original-vintage-firearms.cfm?gun_id=103150792
  

I agree that is a very nice rifle!  i don't think that the asking price is unreaasonable.

Michael

R,

Buck

Buck1898 said
What is a "buyer premium" ?
  

A buyer's premium is an extra percentage fee added to the winning bid(hammer price) at an auction which the buyer is required to pay. 

deerhunter said

Bert H. said

Zebulon said

Bert H. said
It is a handsome Model 1886 Semi-Deluxe Sporting Rifle, and with several very nice special order features.  Definitely a rifle worthy of being added to a collection.
Bert
  

For educational purposes only because it is well above my pay grade, what do you think of the price? 
  

I did not see the price tag on it?
  

$10,175.00
  

That is not an unreasonable asking price considering the configuration of the rifle.

Bert H. said

Zebulon said

Bert H. said
It is a handsome Model 1886 Semi-Deluxe Sporting Rifle, and with several very nice special order features.  Definitely a rifle worthy of being added to a collection.
Bert
  

For educational purposes only because it is well above my pay grade, what do you think of the price? 
  

I did not see the price tag on it?
  

$10,175.00

Zebulon said

Bert H. said
It is a handsome Model 1886 Semi-Deluxe Sporting Rifle, and with several very nice special order features.  Definitely a rifle worthy of being added to a collection.
Bert
  

For educational purposes only because it is well above my pay grade, what do you think of the price? 
  

I did not see the price tag on it?

R,

Buck

Buck1898 said
What is different between semi-deluxe and deluxe?
  

The grade of the Walnut and the checkering pattern.  Semi-deluxe (not a term Winchester used) typically have plain (straight) grained walnut stocks with I-pattern checkering.  The Fancy Sporting Rifles will have 2X or 3X walnut stocks with H-pattern checkering.

Bert