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                    <title>Zebulon on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As a final note on the .308 vs .30/06 thing, from personal experience I can say handloaders should opt for the 30/06 in any standard length bolt gun because factory ammunition -- with now a few exceptions - leaves velocity on the table. In barrels of at least 22 inches,  it is not difficult to safely obtain muzzle velocities materially over 3,000 foot seconds with a 150 grain bullet. The .308 is pretty much maxed out at factory ammunition velocities. </p>
<p>The difference becomes even more pronounced with 180 grain bullets, which provide the best combination of trajectory and power for long range shooting. My idea of long range being 300 yards, at a living unwounded creature </p>
<p>However, these velocities are best realized in a rifle with an all up weight of not less than 8.5 pounds because the recoil is increased significantly. </p>
<p>P.S. I've only owned two of them but both my 22" '06 Featherweights, a 1956 and a 1960, weighed about 7 pounds empty and unscoped. Both had Pachmayr pads to factory LOP.  Wood density can matter but I think 6.5 pounds is pretty optimistic. No question they weigh less than the standard rifle -- and a hell of a lot less than my 1960 Browning High Power.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>DEEREHART on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I will now put a 24 inch 308 featherweight on my list of things to watch for.</p>
<p> Along with many other scarce and unique model 70s<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /></p>
<p> Thank you for the education guys</p>
<p> Doug</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><em>"WADR to Zeb… The ballistics of the 308 Winchester are pretty much the same as the 30-06 with one-step lighter bullet. The 150 grain bullet in 308 Winchester was about the same as a 165 grain 30-06, 165 grain about the same as 180 grain, etc. I can understand that a 30-06 would be preferable if a heavy bullet was needed, for example for elk or bears, but for Hill Country whitetails I think I’d be happy enough with 165 grain bullets in the 308 Winchester (in a much lighter weight rifle)."</em></p>
<p>As a much younger hunter, if I had wanted to and could have afforded to, hunt elk or bears, I would have chosen a Model 70 Featherweight with a 22" barrel in .358 WCF caliber. The first thing I would have done to it was hand it over to my gunsmith to install a red Pachmayr Whiteline ventilated pad and make it off at a 14" LOP. And adjust the trigger to a 3.25 pound break. And install a Leupold &#038; Stevens 3X scope in low rings. </p>
<p>I didn't get the Mercedes 300 SL cabriolet either.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 22:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Lou and Ted will have the details but the 24" barrel Featherweight was a very early <span style="color: #ff0000">[EDIT] special</span> order <span style="color: #ff0000">feature</span> <del>style</del> that had few takers before it was eliminated. I <em>can </em>say that in 1952, while a barrel less than 24" long was becoming popularized by custom gunmakers and shooting editors, Winchester might have been concerned 22" was still a little <em>avant garde </em>for most American buyers of high power bolt action rifles. </p>
<p>As usual, the United States Army's selection of an Infantry rifle influenced public opinion. When the 1903 Springfield rifle was adopted, its 24" barrel was designed as a compromise between the traditional 30" length for foot soldiers and 22" for cavalry carbines.  The M1 Garand followed that philosophy. </p>
<p>I would guess WRA soon learned the buyers' preference from its dealers' Featherweight sales and dropped the unpopular longer barrel <span style="color: #ff0000">special order feature</span><del>style</del>. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 22:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug-</p>
<p>See if this screenshot off my laptop comes out legible.  If it does, read the blurb on "barrel".</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="918" data-height="1202" title="1952-FWT-Intro-Brochure-p4.png" alt="1952-FWT-Intro-Brochure-p4.png" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/08/1952-FWT-Intro-Brochure-p4.png" /></p>
<p>This is the forth page of the brochure introducing the Model 70 Featherweight.  The "24" barrel furnished on special order" was a cataloged option from 1952 through 1954, so it only affects the 308 Winchester chambering.  It did not have unique catalog symbols.  G7020C was the low comb and G7060C was the Monte Carlo.  These were the only two catalog symbols for the Featherweight until 1955 when they added other chamberings.</p>
<p>The extra 2 inches of Featherweight barrel doesn't add much weight.  It's still VERY noticeably lighter than a contemporary 30-06 Standard rifle. (The 308 Winchester was NEVER cataloged in Standard rifle, but it was offered in the National Match and Target Model on special order, and a modest number of Bull Guns were made in 308 WIN).</p>
<p>I suppose (???) that Winchester thought the longer barrel would improve ballistic performance a little over the regular 22-inch barrel.  Not sure why, but if I had been going to buy a Featherweight in 1952, I would have wanted the 24-inch one.  Price was the same, you just might have had to wait a little longer to get it...</p>
<p>WADR to Zeb...  The ballistics of the 308 Winchester are pretty much the same as the 30-06 with one-step lighter bullet.  The 150 grain bullet in 308 Winchester was about the same as a 165 grain 30-06, 165 grain about the same as 180 grain, etc.  I can understand that a 30-06 would be preferable if a heavy bullet was needed, for example for elk or bears, but for Hill Country whitetails I think I'd be happy enough with 165 grain bullets in the 308 Winchester (in a much lighter weight rifle).  </p>
<p>Just my take...</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 22:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>DEEREHART on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Lou, Ted and Bill</p>
<p> Just when I think I know what I think I really know, you guys come up with a configuration that I never dreamed of.</p>
<p> A featherweight with a 24 inch bbl would be so cool.</p>
<p> Would this be a special order or was it cataloged in some way.</p>
<p> I am trying to grasp the logic for not purchasing a standard rifle if I felt I needed a 24 bbl in the mid 50s.</p>
<p> Weight difference would be negligible. Aesthetically an argument could be made for no bbl boss.</p>
<p> Obviously they do exist, just wondering why<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" /></p>
<p> Doug</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Tedk on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Have parted with most of my Fwts. All that remain are a 308 low comb and 270 Super Grade Fwt</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Tedk on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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<p><strong>Louis Luttrell said </strong><br />
Hi Jim-<br />
At present I have (4) of the 24-inch Featherweights recorded by serial number, one of which I consider "sketchy".  I know the location of another legit one, but I do not (as yet) have a serial number on it.  This is out of about (800) 308 WIN Featherweights recorded.  So I'm inclined to agree with you that they're scarce.<br />
This is my 24-inch Featherweight.  Very early serial number for a Featherweight. Wayne Miller let me get this one from his collection a couple years ago.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Lou<br />
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<p>Good stuff there Lou🙂</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on bought this 1977 Model 94 in minty condition - pics</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I like these aftermarket sight hoods: <a href="https://ebay.io/m/JOjfcJ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://ebay.io/m/JOjfcJ</a> -- they have a taller version as well if you want</p>
<p>I think that's a nice rifle, like you say, a lot of the cost cutting had been rectified by '77. Hope you hunt a long time with it!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Athappyhiker on bought this 1977 Model 94 in minty condition - pics</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I've wanted to get another Win. 94 in 30-30 for a long time; bought an early 2000s Ranger model previously that had the worst trigger &#038; action was the furthest thing from smooth so I traded that one.  Well today I found this in the LGS; a 1977 production Model 94 in 30-30 in almost perfect condition. While I know the pre-64 crowd will poo-poo it, I did my homework and I wanted a non-AE model in good condition as a shooter that didn't have a rebounding hammer, no safeties. This being a late 70's model it's got all the "fixes" that were implemented after the '64 cost cutting screwups, has the better shell lifter. The metal is in pristine shape; no rust. No pitting. Deep bluing on the barrel and receiver (yes I know that the receivers were still sintered metal with iron plating that was blued). Wood is in absolutely perfect condition, if a bit bland in the figure department. The bore is fantastic. Mirror bright after a quick cleaning with Hoppes 9. Crispy rifling. Chamber and bolt face all great.  The trigger pull is pretty darn light and crisp. WAY better than my prior 94. The lever action is also way smoother.  All that was missing is the front sight hood which I'll order. Also came with nice Williams sling mounts and a pretty cool padded sling with embossed deer &#038; acorn on the leather. Can't wait to shoot it.  Paid what seemed in line with what most online sales &#038; auctions are going for great condition 1970s or later 94's.  </p>
<p><img alt="win 94 1" src="https://i.imgur.com/tVLoaN7.jpg" width="1366" height="558" /></p>
<p><img alt="win 94 2" src="https://i.imgur.com/x5htjsm.jpg" width="1366" height="907" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 19:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Edward Southgate on Bolt peep on late production Standard  Model 71?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have a Merit Disc in my bolt peep on my 1936 m71 . Not sure what the thread is bur the same disc fits the Lyman 21 sight that's on my '92 Winchester .38/40 rifle. I prefer the bolt peep or the m21 , they don't go on target rifles so I don't expect target grade adjustments . They are both hunting sights pure and simple . Both adjust as fine as I can shoot with the rifles they are on , they just require a bit more fiddling to get them to do it. Mine has been on my m71 since 1936 and is still in good condition so I doubt they had any structural weakness . I agree with the above posters that the missing parts were taken off by previous owners for some other reason other than breakage. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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<p><strong>Louis Luttrell said </strong></p>
<p>"Hi Zeb-<br />
I'm sure you know that Winchester, having been involved in developing the T-65 cartridge (7.62 NATO) cartridge that they subsequently commercialized as the 308 Winchester, designed their "lightweight" rifle (the Featherweight) around the cartridge.  If I could only have one Featherweight it would be in 308 WIN.  I'm not sure you actually gain much from a 30-06 in a 22-inch barrel anyway... "<br />
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<p>Even in 22" barrels, the Springfield is the more flexible and powerful cartridge. The current SAAMI maximum average pressure specification for the Springfield is 60k PSI and 62k PSi for the 308 WCF.  The smaller cartridge must be loaded to its pressure limit to reach within 100 foot seconds of the Springfield's muzzle velocity and then only with 150 and 165 grain bullets, according to SAAMI testing. At 180 grains, the velocity gap opens to about 200 fs. </p>
<p>The smaller cartridge has insufficient powder capacity to produce useful velocities with a bullet heavier than 200 grains.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim-</p>
<p>At present I have (4) of the 24-inch Featherweights recorded by serial number, one of which I consider "sketchy".  I know the location of another legit one, but I do not (as yet) have a serial number on it.  This is out of about (800) 308 WIN Featherweights recorded.  So I'm inclined to agree with you that they're scarce.</p>
<p>This is my 24-inch Featherweight.  Very early serial number for a Featherweight. Wayne Miller let me get this one from his collection a couple years ago.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="5850" data-height="3450" title="FWT-SN-219278-copy.jpg" alt="FWT-SN-219278-copy.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/08/FWT-SN-219278-copy.jpg" /></p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Not Zeb. Only Lou know stuff like that. Compared to Lou, think of me as Valetudo, Jupiter's smallest moon.</p>
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                    <title>Jim F in CT on M70 DOM? . . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Lou or Zeb . . . .</p>
<p>Do you have any M70 Featherweights listed in your “registry” with the 24” barrel?</p>
<p>I’m thinking they are really scarce!</p>
<p>(My 6/52 Featherweight is to get some “exercise” later this week.)</p>
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