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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Victorian-</p>
<p>Model 70 safeties were interchangeable between different bolt sleeves.  So you could have a pre-war (Version 1) bolt sleeve with a Version 3 ("dogleg") safety OR the whole bolt sleeve/safety could have been replaced.  As Ben said, pictures would allow us to tell you exactly what yoou've got...</p>
<p>Please look at the pictures below...  First is the pre-war bolt sleeve (flat on top) that went with the original "flag" safety.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="4950" data-height="2850" title="Pre-war-Bolt-Sleeve-Safety-copy.jpg" alt="Pre-war-Bolt-Sleeve-Safety-copy.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/06/Pre-war-Bolt-Sleeve-Safety-copy.jpg" /></p>
<p>Next is the later style bolt sleeve (round on top) that was designed for use with the later style (side swing) safeties.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="4800" data-height="2280" title="Later-Style-Bolt-Sleeve-and-Safety-copy.jpg" alt="Later-Style-Bolt-Sleeve-and-Safety-copy.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/06/Later-Style-Bolt-Sleeve-and-Safety-copy.jpg" /></p>
<p>If you have a later style "dogleg" safety on you pre-war file, then it's been replaced.  The question is whether the bolt sleeve was also replaced.  Late M70 safeties will work with all M70 bolt sleeves, and it was common when putting a scope on a pre-war gun to change out either the safety or the bolt/sleeve combination.</p>
<p>Hope this helps,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 22:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Right after the gavel, it was pulled from the display case and shepherded to the back rooms...until the end of the auction I assume. The winner was not dressed much above shorts and flip flops and stayed to bid on other stuff....I mean, why not? <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>I've been having trouble posting photos for awhile now for some reason, but here's the display greeting you as you walked in past check-in...</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tim tomlinson on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I doubt ANY shipping company we are familiar with insures for anywhere near that value!  Tim</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 22:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Pictures will facilitate accurate responses... </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 21:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>You Gents are absolutely correct in you're statements and opinions! IMHO!</p>
<p>For that kind of  $$$$$$, it doesn't get sent through the more frequent method most of us are antiquated with, as was stated by Mike, the buyers was at the auction. Otherwise a private personal courier, with more than one occupant in the vehicle for obvious reasons, would be used/hired to pick up and transport the firearm, and if needed as TR, suggested a private Jet also! </p>
<p>Different Strokes!</p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 21:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Victorian Shooter on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My friend and I both have Pre War model 70s in 300 Magnum. Mine was made in 1939, his is earlier. Mine was purchased out West, his in Tennessee. Both have the later model safety (right side push). The original owner of his rifle told him that the rifle was sent back to Winchester for safety modification. I have no idea if mine is the original safety. Any thoughts?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TR on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>  If you have 6m to buy this gun you send the corporate jet to pick it up. My son flew corporate jets, they sometimes made a trip to haul the dog, one big banker had him fly to Puerto Rico to mail his income tax because it took 3 days to clear and the interest was more than the jet was to fly. T/R</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>steve004 said </strong><br />
Given the juice, sales tax etc. do you insure shipping for $5M or $6M?  And what does the counter person say when you ask for $6M in insurance?<br />
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<p>The buyer was at the auction. Shipping may not have been necessary.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 19:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Given the juice, sales tax etc. do you insure shipping for $5M or $6M?  And what does the counter person say when you ask for $6M in insurance?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 18:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
I was there. It was two guys on the floor battling it out. I was going to ask all you guys if you wanted to go in on it with me! I figured it would beat the estimate, and even told the guy at my table it might hit 5, he laughed and then had to admit I wasn't crazy.<br />
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<p>Other possibility is there were three crazy people in that room. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" /> Kevin has a great poker face but I could tell he was a bit surprised when it went past $3M. Several high-end guns beat their estimates but that one blew right past and kept going. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tionesta1 on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>Bill Hanzel said </strong><br />
Says 5,000,000(on-site).  Don’t know if that’s with the juice or not…. Auction is still live on proxibid, I just scrolled up to see<br />
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<p>Hey Bill,</p>
<p>I'll bring it to the next OGCA show for you to see it.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Al</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was there. It was two guys on the floor battling it out. I was going to ask all you guys if you wanted to go in on it with me! I figured it would beat the estimate, and even told the guy at my table it might hit 5, he laughed and then had to admit I wasn't crazy.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 16:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>Rat Rod Mac said </strong><br />
I hope the stock's not chipped or broken when it gets to my FFL guy.      RRM<br />
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 15:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>At least one of our members was there but I think there were at least three live bidders on this rifle, plus online or phone bidders. I think there were three live bidders past two million. Very strong room. They have an online auction ending today.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 14:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>Buck94 said </strong></p>
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<p>mrcvs said<br />
The sales tax alone on this one for me would have been $345,000, assuming a hammer price of $5 million plus 15% buyer’s premium.<br />
Total = $6, 095,000 plus shipping.  I would likely pick it up given the value, however.<br />
If I had that kind of money, it might have brought more as I really would have tried to get it.  If one is worth only a cool $1 billion, it’s only 1/2 of 1% if your net worth.  It’s the equivalent of the average person wanting to get a firearm for $2500 and having to pay $3500 for it (assuming a net worth of $500,000).<br />
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<p>Well Rock Island, the seller and the state tax office all had a great day! I would guess the seller is ecstatic! <br />
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<p>Does anyone know who the seller is?  Or the buyer?</p>
<p>I have long maintained that sales tax should NOT be due on used items such as this as, presumably, it was collected at the point of first sale.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 13:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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