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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I like the thread title, quite frankly it's beyond my imagination. Diffrent strokes, indeed.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 13:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Above my pay grade</title>
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<strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Right after the gavel, it was pulled from the display case and shepherded to the back rooms...until the end of the auction I assume. The winner was not dressed much above shorts and flip flops and stayed to bid on other stuff....I mean, why not?<br />
I've been having trouble posting photos for awhile now for some reason, but here's the display greeting you as you walked in past check-in...<br />
<a href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/NAePSCQvtNLBsJyX6" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://photos.app.goo.gl/NAePSCQvtNLBsJyX6</a><br />
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<p>Hi honey, I’m home. Oh, how did you make out at the auction today? Pretty good, got 3 rifles. Only spent $7 or $8 million. </p>
<p>Shorts and flip flops 😂. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 11:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bill Hanzel on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p>Bill Hanzel said<br />
Says 5,000,000(on-site).  Don’t know if that’s with the juice or not…. Auction is still live on proxibid, I just scrolled up to see<br />
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<p>Hey Bill,<br />
I'll bring it to the next OGCA show for you to see it.<br />
Al<br />
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<p>Please do! Hopefully that’s not all you bought?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 02:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on First year guns</title>
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<p><strong><a href="mailto:fred.lasor@gmail.com" target="_blank">fred.lasor@gmail.com</a> said </strong><br />
An interesting goal, and a very attractive display.  Thanks for sharing.  The only first year I have is a Model 1892.  I'm a piker.  But I have a Model 1894 action from the first year. <br />
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<p>I agree, I've had a few four-digit guns but none were first year.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 00:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>fred.lasor@gmail.com on First year guns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>An interesting goal, and a very attractive display.  Thanks for sharing.  The only first year I have is a Model 1892.  I'm a piker.  But I have a Model 1894 action from the first year. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 23:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>fred.lasor@gmail.com on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>mrcvs said </strong><br />
The sales tax alone on this one for me would have been $345,000, assuming a hammer price of $5 million plus 15% buyer’s premium.<br />
Total = $6, 095,000 plus shipping.  I would likely pick it up given the value, however.<br />
If I had that kind of money, it might have brought more as I really would have tried to get it.  If one is worth only a cool $1 billion, it’s only 1/2 of 1% if your net worth.  It’s the equivalent of the average person wanting to get a firearm for $2500 and having to pay $3500 for it (assuming a net worth of $500,000).<br />
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<p>I believe Rock Island's buyer's premium is 18.5%.  At least that's what they list on their site, and what I have paid in the past.  They are probably very happy to have gotten this listing.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 23:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Victorian Shooter on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>These are the side swing or later safety, I have other pre-war model 70s with the earlier safety. My question more directly was there any program or policy of returning the rifle to Winchester for safety upgrade? Or were any upgraded as they sat in stock before being shipped out or sold?  Were 300 magnums longer on the shelf? Or is it  just coincident that two very similar guns were identically modified ? Will try to upload pictures but I am not very IT smart and I do not know any 13 yr olds to do it for me.</p>
<p>VR. JOHN</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 23:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Above my pay grade</title>
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<strong>tim tomlinson said </strong><br />
I doubt ANY shipping company we are familiar with insures for anywhere near that value!  Tim<br />
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<p>Exactly Tim!</p>
<p>The people who buy those rifles and into those higher dollar amounts, self Insure a lot of what they do and how they do it. I'm not saying they don't have or use Insurance, as think about the word itself, "Insurance", as all it means, "is a means of guaranteeing protection or safety"! Weather it's a service paid to a so called insurance company or a hired/contracted set of people/employees or service to pick up and deliver a certain product.</p>
<p>No Shipping company would be used, in most of these higher dollar pieces. IMO! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Great pics Jeremy! Thanks for Sharing! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 23:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Victorian-</p>
<p>Model 70 safeties were interchangeable between different bolt sleeves.  So you could have a pre-war (Version 1) bolt sleeve with a Version 3 ("dogleg") safety OR the whole bolt sleeve/safety could have been replaced.  As Ben said, pictures would allow us to tell you exactly what yoou've got...</p>
<p>Please look at the pictures below...  First is the pre-war bolt sleeve (flat on top) that went with the original "flag" safety.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="4950" data-height="2850" title="Pre-war-Bolt-Sleeve-Safety-copy.jpg" alt="Pre-war-Bolt-Sleeve-Safety-copy.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/06/Pre-war-Bolt-Sleeve-Safety-copy.jpg" /></p>
<p>Next is the later style bolt sleeve (round on top) that was designed for use with the later style (side swing) safeties.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="4800" data-height="2280" title="Later-Style-Bolt-Sleeve-and-Safety-copy.jpg" alt="Later-Style-Bolt-Sleeve-and-Safety-copy.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/06/Later-Style-Bolt-Sleeve-and-Safety-copy.jpg" /></p>
<p>If you have a later style "dogleg" safety on your pre-war file, then it's been replaced.  The question is whether the bolt sleeve was also replaced.  Late M70 safeties will work with all M70 bolt sleeves, and it was common when putting a scope on a pre-war gun to change out either the safety or the bolt/sleeve combination.</p>
<p>Hope this helps,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 22:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Right after the gavel, it was pulled from the display case and shepherded to the back rooms...until the end of the auction I assume. The winner was not dressed much above shorts and flip flops and stayed to bid on other stuff....I mean, why not? <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>I've been having trouble posting photos for awhile now for some reason, but here's the display greeting you as you walked in past check-in...</p>
<p><a href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/NAePSCQvtNLBsJyX6" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://photos.app.goo.gl/NAePSCQvtNLBsJyX6</a></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tim tomlinson on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I doubt ANY shipping company we are familiar with insures for anywhere near that value!  Tim</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 22:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Pictures will facilitate accurate responses... </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 21:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>You Gents are absolutely correct in you're statements and opinions! IMHO!</p>
<p>For that kind of  $$$$$$, it doesn't get sent through the more frequent method most of us are antiquated with, as was stated by Mike, the buyers was at the auction. Otherwise a private personal courier, with more than one occupant in the vehicle for obvious reasons, would be used/hired to pick up and transport the firearm, and if needed as TR, suggested a private Jet also! </p>
<p>Different Strokes!</p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 21:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Victorian Shooter on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My friend and I both have Pre War model 70s in 300 Magnum. Mine was made in 1939, his is earlier. Mine was purchased out West, his in Tennessee. Both have the later model safety (right side push). The original owner of his rifle told him that the rifle was sent back to Winchester for safety modification. I have no idea if mine is the original safety. Any thoughts?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TR on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>  If you have 6m to buy this gun you send the corporate jet to pick it up. My son flew corporate jets, they sometimes made a trip to haul the dog, one big banker had him fly to Puerto Rico to mail his income tax because it took 3 days to clear and the interest was more than the jet was to fly. T/R</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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