WombatRider said
Hey Bert, first off just want to say congrats on 10 years of 94 AE serial number questions, now here is mine. I have a 94 AE serial number #5234114, the Winchester registry shows that it should have been made 1984 but I have heard of some 94 AE receivers being produced in 1983. My questions are was it made either 1984 or 1983 if you know, also I want to ask what is the lowest 94 AE serial number you have seen or know of, it would be interesting to know how early in production mine was produced, thanks.
  

The Angle Eject (AE) variant of the Model 94 was introduced in the year 1983, and the confusion exists because it was first cataloged in the January 1984 catalog.  The has led many people (and past authors) to the incorrectly assume by that the year 1984 is when the USRACo began production of the AE variant.  

That stated, I believe that your Model 94 AE was actually manufactured very early in the year 1984, but there is no way to prove that.  I do not attempt to track or survey any of the Post-1963 production Model 94s.  Therefore, I do not know what the earliest serial number would have been for the AEs.

Bert

Local dealers have recently upped consignment fees from 15% to 20% and are anxious to turn guns at the low end of market value. Fifteen percent is a pretty good whack and twenty is too much to bear.

By comparison, Gunbroker fees are very modest. And recently they've made an effort to accommodate 03 licensees. 

The Biden Administration has made it difficult but not impossible to auction handguns online, although items costing less than a thousand bucks are ovetburdened with high shipping costs.

I have only been mistreated once or twice in Decades when buying via GB online without the ability to lay hands on a piece first. The large houses have a reputation to protect and I've never had to send anything back. 

Now, I'm not buying pieces that go for the price of a new car. Perhaps those woods are more populous with tigers. I wouldn't know. However, I bought my Model 21 Skeet Gun sight unseen and my one Superposed likewise on the strength of photos and seller reputation, which is not bupkis.  

I would rather buy from friends and from dealers I trust.  But sellers I don't know can be just as treacherous face to face if I don't have references from people whose judgement I trust. 

I agree with Mike. The most satisfying transactions are with fellow WACA members. 

I saw these two Winchesters claimed to be attributed to the well known General Nelson Miles. It will be interesting to see what might come to light about these two specimens. 

https://auctions.thegunrunner.com/lots/view/1-CU0L2B/winchester-1873-and-1892-32-wcf-rifles-documents-books-us-general-nelson-miles

Tony

Mike

mrcvs said

Henry Mero said
Here's My take on "fees" , eg: a Winchester with a real collector value of $10,000.00 sells at auction for that amount. breaking it down , sellers premium at 20%  He gets $8000.00 , auction house $2000.00 , buyers premium at 25% house gets $2500.00. taxes at .13% (Canada), plus shipping handling etc. The house comes out with $4500.00+, the seller with $8000, the gov't with $1300.00, but the buyer, (poor guy) , ends up with $14125.00+ in a $10,,00.00 gun.  The auction house is the only winner here, I, the buyer shoulda just offered the seller $9000.00 or payed the $10,000.00 and We'de both been ahead. Personal real experience, I just purchased a 1890 at R.I.A. for (hammer price) $2500.00 , total cost to Me $3,685.00 U.S.. I just bought a 1890 privately $2,975.00 shipped, total cost to Me $2,975.00U.S.. I think We should be talking with each other more and paying less attention to the auctions, We, sellers and buyers, would be a lot of $'s ahead and We would have a lot more gun shows again.
  

Others are saying the asking price of $10,175 is reasonable, and it is…sort of.  I would be happier at $8000 in today’s market.  And your assessment of the above is true.  The huge spread between what a rifle sells for at auction with all fees and what the seller nets.
Because of this, the Classifieds section of this forum should be vibrant.  And it isn’t.  It seems folks would rather risk netting less at auction in the hopes their prized firearm hammers after a healthy bidding war (and they net significantly more).
  

  Well said.

  You have to educate the seller and buyer. The seller has to resist the auction company pitch, not as easy as you think when someone is telling you how valuable your gun is. The buyer has to see good pictures and trust the seller. The Forum can help.

                                                                                                                          T/R

Henry Mero said
Here's My take on "fees" , eg: a Winchester with a real collector value of $10,000.00 sells at auction for that amount. breaking it down , sellers premium at 20%  He gets $8000.00 , auction house $2000.00 , buyers premium at 25% house gets $2500.00. taxes at .13% (Canada), plus shipping handling etc. The house comes out with $4500.00+, the seller with $8000, the gov't with $1300.00, but the buyer, (poor guy) , ends up with $14125.00+ in a $10,,00.00 gun.  The auction house is the only winner here, I, the buyer shoulda just offered the seller $9000.00 or payed the $10,000.00 and We'de both been ahead. Personal real experience, I just purchased a 1890 at R.I.A. for (hammer price) $2500.00 , total cost to Me $3,685.00 U.S.. I just bought a 1890 privately $2,975.00 shipped, total cost to Me $2,975.00U.S.. I think We should be talking with each other more and paying less attention to the auctions, We, sellers and buyers, would be a lot of $'s ahead and We would have a lot more gun shows again.
  

Others are saying the asking price of $10,175 is reasonable, and it is…sort of.  I would be happier at $8000 in today’s market.  And your assessment of the above is true.  The huge spread between what a rifle sells for at auction with all fees and what the seller nets.

Because of this, the Classifieds section of this forum should be vibrant.  And it isn’t.  It seems folks would rather risk netting less at auction in the hopes their prized firearm hammers after a healthy bidding war (and they net significantly more).

Buck1898 said
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1886/winchester-m1886-40-82-semi-dlx-set-trigger-original-vintage-firearms.cfm?gun_id=103150792
  

I agree that is a very nice rifle!  i don't think that the asking price is unreaasonable.

Michael

R,

Buck

Buck1898 said
What is a "buyer premium" ?
  

A buyer's premium is an extra percentage fee added to the winning bid(hammer price) at an auction which the buyer is required to pay.