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                    <title>Zebulon on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>One of the nicer aspects of WACA membership seems to be that members sell <span style="text-decoration: underline"><em>live </em></span> cows and mules to one another. </p>
<p>A refreshing change from several boxes sent to me in the past by strangers, which, when opened, gave off the "powerful odor of mendacity." </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>antler1 said </strong></p>
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<p>Jeremy P said<br />
Yes, to be clearer, $3500 for a really nice non-deluxe (special) model!<br />
Pat, you'll sell me a deluxe for 3500 this weekend, won't you?<br />
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<p>I was offering to buy not sell!! I do have a very nice model 65 25-20 w/bolt peep that will be on the table. Stop by.<br />
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<p>I will indeed stop by! I think mine in .25-20 is a refinish, although a nice one. See you there!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 19:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>antler1 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong></p>
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antler1 said </p>
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Jeremy P said</p>
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helidriver72 said<br />
Well it went for $3500, I guess a couple people thought it was close to right. If it was no doubts right in every way would you guys say it would be more like $5k plus?<br />
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<p>No, $3500 is right about where they've gone for a few years now (when original/correct).<br />
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<p>If you find a high condition special model 65 in 218 bee for $3500.00 please pm me!<br />
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<p>Yes, to be clearer, $3500 for a really nice non-deluxe (special) model!<br />
Pat, you'll sell me a deluxe for 3500 this weekend, won't you?<br />
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<p>I was offering to buy not sell!! I do have a very nice model 65 25-20 w/bolt peep that will be on the table. Stop by. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<strong>antler1 said </strong></p>
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Jeremy P said</p>
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helidriver72 said<br />
Well it went for $3500, I guess a couple people thought it was close to right. If it was no doubts right in every way would you guys say it would be more like $5k plus?<br />
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<p>No, $3500 is right about where they've gone for a few years now (when original/correct).<br />
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<p>If you find a high condition special model 65 in 218 bee for $3500.00 please pm me!<br />
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<p>Yes, to be clearer, $3500 for a really nice non-deluxe (special) model!</p>
<p>Pat, you'll sell me a deluxe for 3500 this weekend, won't you? <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>antler1 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong></p>
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<p>helidriver72 said<br />
Well it went for $3500, I guess a couple people thought it was close to right. If it was no doubts right in every way would you guys say it would be more like $5k plus?<br />
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<p>No, $3500 is right about where they've gone for a few years now (when original/correct).<br />
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<p>If you find a high condition special model 65 in 218 bee for $3500.00 please pm me!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>helidriver72 said </strong><br />
Well it went for $3500, I guess a couple people thought it was close to right. If it was no doubts right in every way would you guys say it would be more like $5k plus?<br />
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<p>No, $3500 is right about where they've gone for a few years now (when original/correct).</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 13:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Winchester 1873 22 short</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>About exactly what I figured, I watched it go! The fully complete and working examples go for around 3k +/- or more.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>eddixon on Winchester 1873 22 short</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Update I didn’t purchase it. It went over what I was willing to pay and sold for $2001 </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 10:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>helidriver72 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Well it went for $3500, I guess a couple people thought it was close to right. If it was no doubts right in every way would you guys say it would be more like $5k plus?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 06:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p>Bert H. said </p>
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
Steve,  The big difference (to me) is that nosecap is fitted with a non-detachable swivel, whereas the 71 and 64 - and I assume the 65, if special ordered, were furnished with Super Grade detachable swivels. <br />
Bert,  so there was never a catalogued "Special" style of the M65. No wonder I wasn't sure what to call one fitted up like a Deer Rifle. <br />
Both:  the nose cap illustrated by Steve appears to have a swivel base welded or sweated on.  <br />
The 71 and 64 nose caps with swivel bases (at least the two in my possession) seem to be of a single piece, as if forged or machined that way. Is that just because of careful filing and finishing or are at least some made with integral bases?<br />
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<p>Correct... Winchester never officially cataloged a Model 65 "Special" but that is how they labeled the end label of the cardboard box.  <br />
The Model 64 and Model 71 nose caps were dovetailed for the SG swivel base.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>What kind of swiveled nose cap for a M53?  This one fits on a M53 perfectly.  <br />
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<p>I have not ever encountered or documented a Model 53 fitted with sling swivels.  A very small number of them were equipped with sling eyes.  The nose cap you have was most likely made for a Model 1892.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 04:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong></p>
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
Steve,  The big difference (to me) is that nosecap is fitted with a non-detachable swivel, whereas the 71 and 64 - and I assume the 65, if special ordered, were furnished with Super Grade detachable swivels. <br />
Bert,  so there was never a catalogued "Special" style of the M65. No wonder I wasn't sure what to call one fitted up like a Deer Rifle. <br />
Both:  the nose cap illustrated by Steve appears to have a swivel base welded or sweated on.  <br />
The 71 and 64 nose caps with swivel bases (at least the two in my possession) seem to be of a single piece, as if forged or machined that way. Is that just because of careful filing and finishing or are at least some made with integral bases?<br />
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<p>Correct... Winchester never officially cataloged a Model 65 "Special" but that is how they labeled the end label of the cardboard box.  <br />
The Model 64 and Model 71 nose caps were dovetailed for the SG swivel base.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>What kind of swiveled nose cap for a M53?  This one fits on a M53 perfectly.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 02:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Steve,  The big difference (to me) is that nosecap is fitted with a non-detachable swivel, whereas the 71 and 64 - and I assume the 65, if special ordered, were furnished with Super Grade detachable swivels. <br />
Bert,  so there was never a catalogued "Special" style of the M65. No wonder I wasn't sure what to call one fitted up like a Deer Rifle. <br />
Both:  the nose cap illustrated by Steve appears to have a swivel base welded or sweated on.  <br />
The 71 and 64 nose caps with swivel bases (at least the two in my possession) seem to be of a single piece, as if forged or machined that way. Is that just because of careful filing and finishing or are at least some made with integral bases?<br />
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<p>Correct... Winchester never officially cataloged a Model 65 "Special" but that is how they labeled the end label of the cardboard box.  </p>
<p>The Model 64 and Model 71 nose caps were dovetailed for the SG swivel base.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 02:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>steve004 said </strong><br />
I wonder if this would be the right swivel nose cap.  Probably not as it wouldn't match the rear swivel.  I know this fits a Model 53, so probably would fit a Model 65.<br />
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<p>No, it would not be for a Model 65 Special</p>
<p>This is the correct sling base...</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="957" data-height="353" title="Sling-base-front-28231.jpg" alt="Sling-base-front-28231.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/07/Sling-base-front-28231.jpg" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 01:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Steve,  The big difference (to me) is that nosecap is fitted with a non-detachable swivel, whereas the 71 and 64 - and I assume the 65, if special ordered, were furnished with Super Grade detachable swivels. </p>
<p>Bert,  so there was never a catalogued "Special" style of the M65. No wonder I wasn't sure what to call one fitted up like a Deer Rifle. </p>
<p>Both:  the nose cap illustrated by Steve appears to have a swivel base welded or sweated on.  </p>
<p>The 71 and 64 nose caps with swivel bases (at least the two in my possession) seem to be of a single piece, as if forged or machined that way. Is that just because of careful filing and finishing or are at least some made with integral bases?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2026 01:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="640" data-height="480" title="IMG_3643.jpeg" alt="IMG_3643.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/steve004/2026/07/IMG_3643.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="480" data-height="360" title="IMG_3640.jpeg" alt="IMG_3640.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/steve004/2026/07/IMG_3640.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="480" data-height="360" title="IMG_3641.jpeg" alt="IMG_3641.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/steve004/2026/07/IMG_3641.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="480" data-height="360" title="IMG_3642.jpeg" alt="IMG_3642.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/steve004/2026/07/IMG_3642.jpeg" />I wonder if this would be the right swivel nose cap.  Probably not as it wouldn't match the rear swivel.  I know this fits a Model 53, so probably would fit a Model 65.</p>
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