Thanks for the comments.  I hope I did not start a flame war on the commemoratives.

@Zeb

I have found a dealer that has new Winchester M1892 Short Rifle in both .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum.  And M1886 Short Rifle in 45-70

I might go there to have a look.  But I need to check out the calibers, since we also have restrictions in bullet weight and impact energy at 100 meters.

This is what we call Class 1 game:

Moose, bear, red deer, mouflon sheep, musk ox, wisent & wild boar, and there you have 3 different requirements:

Minimum 139gr and 2700J or 155gr and 2000J or if the bullet is a lead free copper bullet, 119gr and 2000J

Class 2 game is roe deer, lynx, wolverine, beaver and seal.

The minimum requirement is 50gr and 800J

I know that 45-70 fulfill the class 1 requirements, but I am not sure of the other.

@Anthony

Sweden like Abba, not Switzerland like chocolate

@Midwest

The 25-35 sounds like a cool cartridge, but I am not sure if it is available over here.  And how it would be classified according to type of game.  Both guns look good.  You can clearly see that the 25-35 has been used a lot, and that is what it is made for.

@King Medallion

That is a really nice one

Take care guys and stay safe

/Georg

rogertherelic said
Over the years I have seen a few Model 71s and Model 64s with the bolt peep and a barrel rear sight that appear to have come that way from factory.  Is this possible?  RDB
  

I am not of the opinion that Winchester would have installed both a bolt peep sight and a barrel mounted sporting sight as the two sights interfere with one another's sighting plane.  I suspect that the barrel mounted (dovetail) sights were added by a former owner/dealer.

Bert

Mike

steve004 said
I'm surprised they didn't put new wood on it.
  

It wood have been "too much" 😎

Mark Douglas said
I'm in agreement with Rick and Bill.
In addition to having gone through a recent mediocre restoration, retaining 0% original finish and having a new barrel installed, the serial number appears to have been hand stamped with an incorrect font and poor spacing.  The 0, 2 and especially the 7 are quite a lot different. Winchester serial numbers from this timeframe were typically much more evenly spaced and aligned.  Here's an example of a serial number from an 1886 from the same timeframe in my collection for comparison:

It certainly raises the question of whether or not this was the original serial number applied to this tang.  Mark
  

Now that you point that out…

Makes me suspect the rifle was created to match the letter.

In addition to having gone through a recent mediocre restoration, retaining 0% original finish and having a new barrel installed, the serial number appears to have been hand stamped with an incorrect font and poor spacing.  The 0, 2 and especially the 7 are quite a lot different. Winchester serial numbers from this timeframe were typically much more evenly spaced and aligned.  Here's an example of a serial number from an 1886 from the same timeframe in my collection for comparison:

It certainly raises the question of whether or not this was the original serial number applied to this tang.  Mark

The caibre stamping looks very off to me - it is too deep. As does the barrel stamp. 

An easy pass, not an honest gun showing honest wear. 

Chris

piece..Bill

Bob

1. the wood has definitely been cleaned

2.  the barrel age/condition/finish does not match the wood finish and has either been very professionally refinished or replaced

3.  the receiver screw forward of the loading gate is obviously a replacement

4.  the barrel chamfer is too pronounced and not Winchester finished

Beauty being in the eye of the beholder!

Tony