Bob

Mine is s/n 11,989, for which I have a Cody letter.  Serialized Friday December 16, 1887.  Received in Warehouse Friday Dec 30 1887, shipped Thursday Jan 12, 1888

Amazingly RIAC has one up for the December auction serialised ONE DAY later.  I asked them to share my contact details with the buyer.  Probably the very same craftsmen assembled, fitted and checked the two.  Both are 40-65 with short barrels.

Like my just-acquired 1873 and my 1892, this was a deceased estate gun stored for a long long time.  I've yet to fully disassemble and clean it.  I use pure gum turpentine, lightly, then very lightly oil the wood with boiled linseed oil, then a coat of Renaissance Wax.  Conservation and preservation for future generations.

twobit said
Dermot,
I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work.  Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it.  My email is 2bitrifles@gmail.com
Michael
  

Shared a bunch via Dropbox. S/N 151, 147, October 1900

Anthony #5411 said
Dermot,
Bob, (1873man), is our resident expert on the model 1873, and has much knowledge on these as his ongoing survey, picked up and continued from his good friend, Author/researcher, James Gordon, (Winchester Books Vol l $ ll ), and will be along to help out with anything we miss, as I'm thinking he might be at the current Tulsa show, along with a few other members, but his evening might find him checking in here and adding to this, or make some corrections.He can also check to see if it's in his survey and if it is the same configuration, as it looks to be all correct, as it left the factory. Bob's knowledge and information is second to none. IMO!
I'll try to add what he's taught me, on another thread for one of mine. Good job on the pictures, as it takes a bit for some of us but you did a nice job of showing us what is needed. Always the more, you add, the better it is for us. 
You're third model 1873, mfg. in 1892, in 38-40, as you stated, with half magazine, looks all original. As you know the 38-40, caliber is the .38 WCF, and probably stamped so.
In Gordon's book he explains and talks about the barrel under stamps as it's pretty well broken down, but with the different inspectors back in the day and varying marks, sometimes we can try to over diagnose or expect more explanation, as these inspectors marks or stamps can vary. 
Here's what Bob had said about my third model 73 src, that I had asked about, as his explanation is very good and it helped me out. IMO!
Bob, (1873man), Said,
Tony,
Those are Inspection or tests the barrel went through. The first 73’s had “CCC” then it went to”+++” for a short time at the end of the first models and then it was “123” for the rest of production. You will find barrels without them.
My 73 src, had the standard, "123', as Bob explained and is in Gordon's book. Your 1873 rifle,  has the "punch dot", in front of the "2", instead of the, "1", in, "123" ! 
Bob
So getting back to you're 73 rifle, in Gordon's book, he explains each barrel was subject to a three part test, as the first mark, the punch dot, is a test, as is the, "2", as is the, "3".  Not sure what the "A.E", is, but I assume it's an inspectors mark, as maybe his initials of his name, identifying him,(as some inspectors did), as I don't see anything like that, in Gordon's book, (but there is other initial letters in his book, just not yours). Maybe Bob can help identify those letters, and add more, or correct me. The upside down "VP", in the circle is another barrel test, meaning violent proof, on the strength of the barrel. The "p", on the front of the receiver is another test proof stamp, but for the receiver.
Tony
  

Yes, Bob is fantastic .  I have been in communication prior to joining with him and also Michael Puzio (1892 guru)

twobit said
Dermot,
I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work.  Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it.  My email is 2bitrifles@gmail.com
Michael
  

Absolutely, will do Michael

jim@wjharrison.com said
Gents:
Went to post some pics of my Winchester 1873 as requested. I discovered through other complaints on the site that posting photos is not allowed except by paying members. I have never encountered that restriction on other sites. 
Now I understand the requests of multiple members i have received to email photos to them directly.
I hope this rule serves the community well. For now, I think I will head a different direction to discover more about this cool rifle.
Best, 
  

It does indeed serve the WACA community very well, as it prevents the Chinese, Russian, North Korean, and every other rogue country or entity from inundating our privately owned and operated website with Spam, Porn, and every other type of unwanted material.  WACA is not like a large company/corporation that employs a team of cyber experts to prevent illicit internet activity.  Acordingly, we (I) control what can and cannot be posted on our website through a rigorous registration system and built in User access safeguards.

Bert - Admin

Bob

Went to post some pics of my Winchester 1873 as requested. I discovered through other complaints on the site that posting photos is not allowed except by paying members. I have never encountered that restriction on other sites. 

Now I understand the requests of multiple members i have received to email photos to them directly.

I hope this rule serves the community well. For now, I think I will head a different direction to discover more about this cool rifle.

Best, 

Chuck said

  

The reason the upload was so slow was because your file size is large.  Either split them into 2 sets or stay around 2 mb per picture.  I'm surprised that 16 mb loaded at all. 
  

It shows that the images are in the 2 to 6 MB per each.

Dermot said

Dermot said

Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
  

I added 5 photos but that didn't work.  My first post and trying to work the forum out.
  

Dermot said

Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
  

I added 5 photos but that didn't work.  My first post and trying to work the forum out.
  

Uploaded the same 5 photos again but the upload stopped for ages at 75%.  Hopefully this works...
  

The reason the upload was so slow was because your file size is large.  Either split them into 2 sets or stay around 2 mb per picture.  I'm surprised that 16 mb loaded at all. 

I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work.  Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it.  My email is 2bitrifles@gmail.com

Michael

jim@wjharrison.com said
Morning,
I was recently given a very nice 1873 in .38-40. Octagonal barrel, original wood in good shape retaining most of original finish, bluing 90%+ intact, no damage or rusting. Bore is shiny with strong rifling. Best I have seen. Evidently shot very little. serial 477***B.
If I decide to sell, what would be best online places to do so?
 
Any instructive thoughts on value?
 
Thanks, 
  

I'm in agreement with, the members, on your M-1873, mfg in 1894, and the "B", letter designation, hasn't been discovered yet as to what it means on the model 1873, as on later model Winchesters it usually indicates an internal mechanism change in manufacturing. Previously the, "A", was significant, and before that, there was just the serial number.

If it's in the condition that you say it's in, members here would definitely be interested after you email pictures to the 1873man, and Bob can post them as he's asked you to.

We can help you and try to evaluate it with some very good natural light pictures.

Tony

Bob, (1873man), is our resident expert on the model 1873, and has much knowledge on these as his ongoing survey, picked up and continued from his good friend, Author/researcher, James Gordon, (Winchester Books Vol l $ ll ), and will be along to help out with anything we miss, as I'm thinking he might be at the current Tulsa show, along with a few other members, but his evening might find him checking in here and adding to this, or make some corrections.He can also check to see if it's in his survey and if it is the same configuration, as it looks to be all correct, as it left the factory. Bob's knowledge and information is second to none. IMO!

I'll try to add what he's taught me, on another thread for one of mine. Good job on the pictures, as it takes a bit for some of us but you did a nice job of showing us what is needed. Always the more, you add, the better it is for us. 

You're third model 1873, mfg. in 1892, in 38-40, as you stated, with half magazine, looks all original. As you know the 38-40, caliber is the .38 WCF, and probably stamped so.

In Gordon's book he explains and talks about the barrel under stamps as it's pretty well broken down, but with the different inspectors back in the day and varying marks, sometimes we can try to over diagnose or expect more explanation, as these inspectors marks or stamps can vary. 

Here's what Bob had said about my third model 73 src, that I had asked about, as his explanation is very good and it helped me out. IMO!

Bob, (1873man), Said,

Tony,

Those are Inspection or tests the barrel went through. The first 73’s had “CCC” then it went to”+++” for a short time at the end of the first models and then it was “123” for the rest of production. You will find barrels without them.

My 73 src, had the standard, "123', as Bob explained and is in Gordon's book. Your 1873 rifle,  has the "punch dot", in front of the "2", instead of the, "1", in, "123" ! 

Bob

So getting back to you're 73 rifle, in Gordon's book, he explains each barrel was subject to a three part test, as the first mark, the punch dot, is a test, as is the, "2", as is the, "3".  Not sure what the "A.E", is, but I assume it's an inspectors mark, as maybe his initials of his name, identifying him,(as some inspectors did), as I don't see anything like that, in Gordon's book, (but there is other initial letters in his book, just not yours). Maybe Bob can help identify those letters, and add more, or correct me. The upside down "VP", in the circle is another barrel test, meaning violent proof, on the strength of the barrel. The "p", on the front of the receiver is another test proof stamp, but for the receiver.

Tony

Dermot said

Dermot said

Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
  

I added 5 photos but that didn't work.  My first post and trying to work the forum out.
  

Dermot said

Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
  

I added 5 photos but that didn't work.  My first post and trying to work the forum out.
  

Uploaded the same 5 photos again but the upload stopped for ages at 75%.  Hopefully this works...
  

I have:

1873 built 1892, 38-40

1886 built 1887, 40-65, with a Cody letter

1892 built 1900, 44-40