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                    <title>TR on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p> RIA by promoting a particular model of gun and selling it for a record high raises the value of similar guns. Collectors see them sell and figure that's the new value. Example, you see them sell a nice Colt SAA Cavalry model in lot 5 for north of 300K. Next time you see a no condition one for sale you are willing to pay more, not 300k but maybe twice what you would have before. The price of the lesser gun has gone up due to RIA promotion whether it was the video how rare they are or the sale at a much higher price.</p>
<p> I have used RIA surprises to direct me to like gun purchases before the rest of the market reacts. Most of my purchases in the last 5 years have been trying to find the next gun that will appreciate rapidly or at least be a easy sale or trade.</p>
<p> In the case of the 6 million dollar Henry it was serial number 1 and a famous owner during a historic time in history. Any one of these three things raise the price of any gun and all three raise it a lot. The sale of this Henry does not affect the price of other Henrys. I come away from this auction understanding the value of serial number 1, a famous owner, and key times in American history.</p>
<p>                                                                                               T/R</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 21:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>rogertherelic on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That's what it has.  Thanks Lou.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger-</p>
<p>Yours has the expected bolt sleeve.  The hole in the side for a safety retaining pin (distinguishing Versions 1A and 1B) was added early in 1938 more or less around serial number 14,000.  That bolt sleeve was then used for the rest of Type I (pre-war) actions.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>rogertherelic on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Just fyi.  I have Ser. 18434 chambered in 300 H&#038;H.  It has "VER 1B".  I don't know if this helps or not.  RDB</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 18:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I don't think the market for five million dollar guns has anything to do with the value of anything I own or might ever aspire to. It is a completely different market. That both markets are for collectible guns is deceptive. </p>
<p>The resale value of my 2009 Toyota Tacoma is not influenced by the going collector price of the Mercedes Benz 300SL presented by its maker to Juan Manuel Fangio, the great Argentine who once drove for the marque. That both are cars is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Even If my car were a 1956 Corvette instead of a Toyota truck, the price of Fangio's ride would still not affect the value of my Vette -- unless GM had presented it for some unknowable reason to Stirling Moss. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 18:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi John-</p>
<p>I am unaware of any formal program for returning pre-war Model 70s to have their bolt sleeve/safety exchanged.  Unless a side mount was used, the "conversion" of a pre-war action would also involve drilling at least one hole in the bridge for a scope mount.  Usually these modifications were done by the consumer, although I'm sure Winchester would let you send a gun back (for a fee)...  </p>
<p>The Version 3 "dogleg" safety came along in 1948, so to have been factory converted before the initial sale would have required the rifle(s) to have sat in inventory for nearly a decade (1939-1948) and be pulled from the warehouse and sent back to assembly.  That is unlikely.  </p>
<p>It may seem surprising, but the Model 70 300 (H&#038;H) Magnum was fairly popular before WWII.  At the time, there was nothing like it on the market (bolt action sporting rifle in a long magnum cartridge) unless you wanted to pony up and buy a custom gun from Britain.  Americans seem to have always been "magnum crazy" (the bigger/faster/more powerful the better)!!!  According to a factory report, annual "Net Orders Received" between 1936 and 1943, there were (2812) orders for 300 H&#038;H Magnum Model 70s (6% of the total), making it the 5th most popular chambering, behind 30-06 (27,758), 270 WCF (6053), 22 Hornet (3390), and 220 Swift (2997).</p>
<p>If you can provide a single photograph of the right (bolt handle) side of the receiver showing the bolt sleeve and safety, we may be able to give you a little more info.  As a WACA "Guest" you cannot post pics directly on the forum.  You either have to post to a third-party site and put the link here or you can send the photo to me (luttrell@musc.edu) and I'll post it for you.</p>
<p>Good Luck!!!</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>TR said </strong><br />
 It has been said that when the minty high grade guns go up in value it drags the lower grades up. If that's true the value of my collection just went up. If that's true the flip side is so did the guns that I might buy. Double edge sword.<br />
 RIA is good at marketing, my hats off to RIA. T/R<br />
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<p>I'm not so sure this tide raises all ships. I think it's more like someone left the water running in the bathtub. But yes, RIA works hard and spares no expense when it comes to selling high end guns. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 15:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p>Hi honey, I’m home. Oh, how did you make out at the auction today? Pretty good, got 3 rifles. Only spent $7 or $8 million.<br />
Shorts and flip flops 😂. <br />
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<p>Yeah, I left early, contemplating my life decisions and tax bracket. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cry" alt="Cry" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 14:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TR on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p> It has been said that when the minty high grade guns go up in value it drags the lower grades up. If that's true the value of my collection just went up. If that's true the flip side is so did the guns that I might buy. Double edge sword.</p>
<p> RIA is good at marketing, my hats off to RIA. T/R</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 13:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I like the thread title, quite frankly it's beyond my imagination. Diffrent strokes, indeed.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 13:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Above my pay grade</title>
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<strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Right after the gavel, it was pulled from the display case and shepherded to the back rooms...until the end of the auction I assume. The winner was not dressed much above shorts and flip flops and stayed to bid on other stuff....I mean, why not?<br />
I've been having trouble posting photos for awhile now for some reason, but here's the display greeting you as you walked in past check-in...<br />
<a href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/NAePSCQvtNLBsJyX6" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://photos.app.goo.gl/NAePSCQvtNLBsJyX6</a><br />
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<p>Hi honey, I’m home. Oh, how did you make out at the auction today? Pretty good, got 3 rifles. Only spent $7 or $8 million. </p>
<p>Shorts and flip flops 😂. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 11:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bill Hanzel on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p>Bill Hanzel said<br />
Says 5,000,000(on-site).  Don’t know if that’s with the juice or not…. Auction is still live on proxibid, I just scrolled up to see<br />
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<p>Hey Bill,<br />
I'll bring it to the next OGCA show for you to see it.<br />
Al<br />
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<p>Please do! Hopefully that’s not all you bought?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 02:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on First year guns</title>
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<p><strong><a href="mailto:fred.lasor@gmail.com" target="_blank">fred.lasor@gmail.com</a> said </strong><br />
An interesting goal, and a very attractive display.  Thanks for sharing.  The only first year I have is a Model 1892.  I'm a piker.  But I have a Model 1894 action from the first year. <br />
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<p>I agree, I've had a few four-digit guns but none were first year.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 00:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>fred.lasor@gmail.com on First year guns</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>An interesting goal, and a very attractive display.  Thanks for sharing.  The only first year I have is a Model 1892.  I'm a piker.  But I have a Model 1894 action from the first year. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 23:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>fred.lasor@gmail.com on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>mrcvs said </strong><br />
The sales tax alone on this one for me would have been $345,000, assuming a hammer price of $5 million plus 15% buyer’s premium.<br />
Total = $6, 095,000 plus shipping.  I would likely pick it up given the value, however.<br />
If I had that kind of money, it might have brought more as I really would have tried to get it.  If one is worth only a cool $1 billion, it’s only 1/2 of 1% if your net worth.  It’s the equivalent of the average person wanting to get a firearm for $2500 and having to pay $3500 for it (assuming a net worth of $500,000).<br />
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<p>I believe Rock Island's buyer's premium is 18.5%.  At least that's what they list on their site, and what I have paid in the past.  They are probably very happy to have gotten this listing.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 23:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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