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                    <title>george@georgeamlott.com on Winchester 94 RIFLES . . . .</title>
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<p><strong>Burt Humphrey said </strong></p>
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<p>Bert H. said<br />
The Model 94 Sporting Rifle was officially discontinued as of the January 1938 Catalog.  The last actual "Rifle " that I have verified is serial number 1663507 (assembled in 1952).  Production was nearly non-existant as of 1933 (coincident with the introduction of the Model 64).<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>And don't forget about my favorite of the 94 family, the Model 55, produced from 1924 to 1932 and only rifles. From the top, Model 1894 in 32-40 , Model 55 in 30wcf and Model 64 in 219Zipper.</p>
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<p>Burt..........You have an AMAZING collection! I love seeing your photos...........</p>
<p>George......</p>
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                    <title>Chuck on Winchester 94 RIFLES . . . .</title>
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<p>Burt Humphrey said </p>
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<p>This is why we can't have eye candy competitions around here. Burt would win every one of them!<br />
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<p>Mike, you got that right!!</p>
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                    <title>Chuck on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Brad, thanks for all the good info.</p>
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                    <title>Brad Dunbar on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hello</p>
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<p>I don’t agree that VP always meant Violent Proof.  This is at least my best understanding and opinion on it.  To start, here are a few examples that do support that meaning, apparently and specifically on shotgun barrels:</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1663" data-height="1061" title="MS20.23.16.jpg" alt="MS20.23.16.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/MS20.23.16.jpg" /></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1562" data-height="1913" title="HPDow-VP.ds_.jpg" alt="HPDow-VP.ds_.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/HPDow-VP.ds_.jpg" /></p>
<p>However, it appeared to both Dan Shuey and I that it must have had more than one meaning, or its definition changed.  I worked with Dan at length on magazine articles and in the Model 1895 book on this subject.  I was going to write out a longer post with more photos, but that can all be seen and read in the book and also in the Summer 2018 magazine.  Photos in the book and article will especially pertain to VP being marked on the underside of a Model 1895 rifle barrel.  Here is an example of VP meaning something other than Violent Proof.  Provisional Proof involved a heavy load of powder and slug in an unfinished barrel.  The VP definition is at the bottom of the document:</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1662" data-height="2645" title="19050928-Provisional-Proof-Chart.jpg" alt="19050928-Provisional-Proof-Chart.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/19050928-Provisional-Proof-Chart.jpg" /></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1310" data-height="858" title="Dan-Shuey-Barrel-Proof-House-interior.jpg" alt="Dan-Shuey-Barrel-Proof-House-interior.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/Dan-Shuey-Barrel-Proof-House-interior.jpg" /></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1836" data-height="2399" title="165-WW-374A-020.jpg" alt="165-WW-374A-020.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/165-WW-374A-020.jpg" /></p>
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<p>Note that in some examples, the VP appears to have been applied prior to finishing or additional stamping:</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="851" data-height="852" title="VP-070283-3.jpg" alt="VP-070283-3.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/VP-070283-3.jpg" /></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="605" data-height="599" title="VP-418135-405TD-2.jpg" alt="VP-418135-405TD-2.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/VP-418135-405TD-2.jpg" /></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1134" data-height="972" title="VP-DSCN4475.jpg" alt="VP-DSCN4475.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/VP-DSCN4475.jpg" /></p>
<p>And then Violent Proof, as mentioned here:</p>
<p><em>Merton A. Robinson, long-time Ballistician and cartridge designer at the WRACo, wrote the following in a 1948 letter to Edwin Pugsley, along with C.S. Comeaux, Secretary of SAAMI:</em></p>
<p><em>“...As a matter of interest, there is also attached one (1) label headed “Violent Proof” for the M/73.  This represents our first loading of Violent Proof loads, the name of which was eventually changed to Definitive Proof.”</em></p>
<p>These are Violent and Definitive Proof cartridge box labels.  These cartridges were intended to be fired in a finished, complete rifle, not an unfinished barrel, and passing the proof would eventually (1905?) result in the Winchester Definitive Proof mark being applied.  I also have one surviving ledger of "Violent Proof" cartridge loads.  Like factory Standard Cartridge loads, full factory boxes still exist.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="891" data-height="777" title="VP-label-73-DP95b.jpg" alt="VP-label-73-DP95b.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/VP-label-73-DP95b.jpg" /></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="921" data-height="625" title="VP-Label-DP95a.jpg" alt="VP-Label-DP95a.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/VP-Label-DP95a.jpg" /></p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="910" data-height="621" title="Label-DP95.jpg" alt="Label-DP95.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/brad-dunbar/2026/11/Label-DP95.jpg" /></p>
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                    <title>oldcrankyyankee on 94s</title>
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<p>.oldcrankyyankee said<br />
Middle one looks like a post 64 "trapper". <br />
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<p>Yep, betting that's the 45 Colt. That's one post '64 that seems to be getting traction among some collectors. I got decent money for a Trapper awhile back when I sold off most of my post-64's. I like the wood on the one above it.<br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>Yes they seem quite pricey now.  I bought one for my son a couple years ago in 44 mag and wasn't cheap!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2026 09:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>dimrod on Winchester 94 RIFLES . . . .</title>
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<p><strong>Burt Humphrey said </strong></p>
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<p>Bert H. said<br />
The Model 94 Sporting Rifle was officially discontinued as of the January 1938 Catalog.  The last actual "Rifle " that I have verified is serial number 1663507 (assembled in 1952).  Production was nearly non-existant as of 1933 (coincident with the introduction of the Model 64).<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>And don't forget about my favorite of the 94 family, the Model 55, produced from 1924 to 1932 and only rifles. From the top, Model 1894 in 32-40 , Model 55 in 30wcf and Model 64 in 219Zipper.</p>
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<p>Thanks for sharing photos of your outstanding rifles, Burt. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2026 05:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Hotchkiss10 on 94s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The middle one is the 45LC, I dont think it’s ever been shot. They would have to supply the sheep herders a rifle, seems like most of them had 25-20s and 25-35 and 30wcf.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2026 02:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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<strong>TXGunNut said </strong><br />
I was trying to make the first number "82" but "22" certainly makes more sense as a barrel date!<br />
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<p>I thought 32.  But you can barely see the same odd line on the rear 2 just lighter. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2026 01:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to make the first number "82" but "22" certainly makes more sense as a barrel date!</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is 30-06.  The barrel has some strange tool marks on it, so I always assumed it was a replacement.  Maybe not.  That is a strange (2) stamp.  Thanks for the comments appreciate it. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2026 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>JWA on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Dang, Bert beat me to it, I need to learn to type faster!</p>
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                    <title>JWA on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>From left to right,</p>
<p>22 is the barrel date,</p>
<p>1906 is the caliber (.30-06),</p>
<p>the letter is an inspectors mark,</p>
<p>the "I" in a triangle is the "General Inspection" passing mark,</p>
<p>the "VP" is "Violent Proof" which is the type of proof it passed,</p>
<p>the M.N.S. means "Midvale Nickel Steel" which is the supplier and type of steel,</p>
<p>the last mark I cannot see clearly.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2026 01:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Winchester 94 RIFLES . . . .</title>
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<p><strong>Burt Humphrey said </strong></p>
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<p>Bert H. said<br />
The Model 94 Sporting Rifle was officially discontinued as of the January 1938 Catalog.  The last actual "Rifle " that I have verified is serial number 1663507 (assembled in 1952).  Production was nearly non-existant as of 1933 (coincident with the introduction of the Model 64).<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>And don't forget about my favorite of the 94 family, the Model 55, produced from 1924 to 1932 and only rifles. From the top, Model 1894 in 32-40 , Model 55 in 30wcf and Model 64 in 219Zipper.</p>
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<p>This is why we can't have eye candy competitions around here. Burt would win every one of them!</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 95 Barrel questions. </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The number next ot the receiver is a "22" and  is the barrel date.  The "VP" in oval is the "Violent Proof" marking, indicating a successful 200% proof load.  The triangle with an "i" in it is a standard inspection stamp found on nearly all pre-WW II barrels.  The "1906" identifies it as a 30-06 barrel.  "MNS" is Midvale Nickel Steel. The sideways "c" is most likely another inspection stamp.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2026 01:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on 94s</title>
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<p><strong>.oldcrankyyankee said </strong><br />
Middle one looks like a post 64 "trapper". <br />
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<p>Yep, betting that's the 45 Colt. That's one post '64 that seems to be getting traction among some collectors. I got decent money for a Trapper awhile back when I sold off most of my post-64's. I like the wood on the one above it.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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