Louis Luttrell said
Not a great picture of the gun (scanned off a Kodachrome slide), but this is what it looks like with an average TX whitetail...

Best,
Lou
  

PM me I'd like to know how to do this.

JWA said

TXGunNut said
Randy-My brother asked me about the Scout commemoratives years ago before they increased in popularity.
Jeff- my brother Steve was on the Philmont staff in the mid 70's, when I'm in Raton I like to get lunch in Cimarron and sometimes take a loop by Philmont HQ and museum. Both of us are Eagle Scouts. Lodge made special cast-iron Scout skillets awhile back, FWIW. 
 
Mike
  

I will be Skillet shopping soon!  I got to go back as the ASM leader (follower) for my son's Philmont experience and, as usual, it was awesome!  Although it is not as "politically correct" as it used to be, I have my Dad's Plumb BSA marked Scout hatchet, my Plumb BSA Scout hatchet from the 70's and my son has the newer Gerber Scout hatchet.  To heavy to carry to Philmont but all 3 have seen good trail use.  One of these days I will make a display for them, with hopefully, a few extra hatchet spots for future generations.
I didn't know you were an Eagle Scout, that explains why I like you, I couldn't figure out why before 😉
Best Regards,
  

Jeff-

The skillet I mentioned was issued in 2010 so happy hunting! I did a short two-year stint as a Scouter when a few former Boy Scouts at the PD I was working with "adopted" a Webelos pack of boys in single parent households. I even served on the district committee and believe it or not served as an event photographer. Loved me some Kodachrome! We got all our boys graduated into Boy Scouts and quite honestly the adults had nearly as much fun as the boys! My brother is currently serving as a Scouter, he's on a few committees in the Houston area and works with Scouts on their conservation projects. I got to sit on a few Eagle Boards over the years but seem to have dropped off that list.

I didn't realize you were an Eagle until the 75 book, I think it's interesting how Eagle Scouts tend to run into each other as adults. 

Mike

Measuring the precise location of the front sight dovetail slot will usually identify a cut-down barrel, as will the precise location of the magazine tube retaining ring.

Bert

Tedk said
After a bit of GoogleFu…
A bank guards gun? Maybe someone can further put the pieces together
 
H.Sq…..Herald Square
B.N.Y…..Bank of New York (Melon)
4…..Rack number
  

Ted,

The auction house has it deciphered as follows;  "Training Headquarters Squadron B New York Guard, Rack #4"

Bert

This is my first post on this forum. I’ve been a long time firearm enthusiast and a lot of my time has been spent collecting and studying WWII era Finnish military rifles.

I find that rifles of today don’t seem to do much for me so anytime I can acquire an old “new to me” rifle it’s very exciting.

I recently acquired an 1873 in .38WCF. It’s in what I would call great shape for its age. I’ve studied up on these as much as I can but I have come across a discrepancy in being able to determine it’s “original-ness”.

Everything about this rifle checks out to me….except one thing….its a 20” barrel without a saddle ring…to me this would mean it’s a “short rifle” instead of a carbine. But the forearm length and distance from rear sight to receiver isn’t right to be a short rifle. Nothing on the muzzle end indicated it had previously been tampered with or cut..so I’m at a loss.

It shoots phenomenally well, and the barrel has strong rifling with as bright of a bore as I’ve seen for a rifle its age.

I got it lettered from the Cody Museum, but unfortunately they had next to no info on this rifle. Not even the original barrel length.

Are there other examples of short rifles previously discovered that were factory original but didn’t have all typical features of a short rifle?

Thanks

A bank guards gun? Maybe someone can further put the pieces together

H.Sq…..Herald Square

B.N.Y…..Bank of New York (Melon)

4…..Rack number

Nope... That's a middle of the State low fence "Hill Country" buck.  I took my middle Son hunting there a long while ago when he was in high school b/c you see lots of deer and turkey, i.e. it's not "boring" for a teenager.  He shot a much nicer one than mine (and a turkey and a cull buck)...

Main reason I like that photo is b/c my face is covered!!!

Lou

Louis Luttrell said
Hi Buckums-
What is the serial number?  Reason I ask is that 1948 was when Winchester changed from the Type II "transition" receiver with cloverleaf tang to the Type III "latter" receiver with the oval tang.  I can't quite make out which yours is...
IF it's a type III (oval tang) receiver, and you like the look/feel of the low comb (NRA style) stock, then for a hunting rifle I think I'd just watch eBay for a take-off stock with an added recoil pad.  You're likely to find one for $150 or so, and if it's already been cut for a pad you can replace the pad, glass bed the action, etc. to your hearts content without worrying about devaluing an "original" stock.   
Just my take...  It's what I did to the 1950 vintage 30-06 Standard rifle that I use on deer...  Not a great picture of the gun (scanned off a Kodachrome slide), but this is what it looks like with an average TX whitetail...

Best,
Lou
  

Lou, Your idea of an "average" Texas Whitetail is a hell of a lot more impressive than most I've taken over the years. I suspect that is an "average South Texas brush country buck." 

Per the PR records, it was manufactured in late March 1917.

Bert

Thanks for posting the picture. If you could, would it be possible to tell us what those letters are, as the glare from the picture makes it hard for me to make out. Thanks in advance.

We know from past similar Winchester rifle/carbines, that Winchester didn't do the aftermarket stamping on something like this, and similar to a rack number stamp or identification, whoever purchased these usually did the in house stamping themselves. It's something I've never heard of before or seen, but we have some pretty good and astute members here, and even possibly some lurkers with some knowledge that would be willing to chime in.

I'm assuming the #4 on it would indicate their might be a 1-3 also! Possibly 10 in the purchase or more. Just a guess on my part.

You're serial number of #847602, indicates it was mfg. in 1917,(WACA), so a search of the N.Y. Militia, of that period or their after could help in finding more out about this.

Let's see what Bert has to say, as he seem to be familiar with the jail systems! LOL!

Tony

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