Gunsnfishin said
I have a .30 cal - serial 572
  

Can you confirm that it has a "24" barrel date?  If possible, send a picture of the barrel date marking to me?

Bert - Win1885@msn.com

mrcvs said

antler1 said

mrcvs said
As others said, not being antique and inn.40-82 hurts this one, but the condition of this one, while decent, really hurts this one.  It’s a 75% gun when you account for barrel wear, patinated areas, etc.  Note the nice chunk missing from the right side of the stock where it meets the upper tang.
Model 1886 rifles have lost a quarter to a third of their value since the Election of 2024.  Also, this rifle falls in a very difficult spot when it comes to interest and ultimate sale.  It has too many features and too much condition to be entry level, a first time purchaser with limited funds who just wants to own a Winchester 1886 rifle.  Thus, it cannot sell in the under $1500 or $2000 range to a guy with limited funds and wants a Winchester 1886.  This first time purchaser will likely want something to shoot, and unless he reloads, which is extremely unlikely, any caliber other than .45-70 will likely be of little or no interest.
A higher end collector will find the special order features but will be turned off by the condition.  He would rather spend more for something with condition.
Caveat emptor!  It is these midrange Winchester Model 1886 (and 1892s, 1894s, 1895s, etc) that will become increasingly a burden.  Which is really sad because, not only do I have a few of them, but they used to be a stepping stone for collectors of modest means who became aware of and appreciated those special order features and would spend a little more for them, but couldn’t afford a pristine example.
Sort of reflects society.  This very rifle would have been owned by a middle class individual the last several decades.  As the middle class diminishes, so does interest in this diminish.  And so the burgeoning lower class and the ever wealthy upper class will chase both ends of the spectrum leaving this one soundly in the dust with little interest.
  

I guess I'm still in the dust pile as I find this a very appealing 1886
  

I didn’t say that I don’t find this rifle appealing, as I do.  It’s just that folks like you and I who do are dwindling.  It’s still appealing to many, most who lack the funds to acquire it.  Or those that have the funds strive for something better in most cases.
  

Ian - 

Yup - the guy who wants this rifle,doesn't have the money, and the guy who has the money, doesn't want this rifle.  

I also found this rifle appealing.  But I think you're right - in general these mid-range Winchesters have seen a devaluation.  And it doesn't make me happy either, as I have more than a few of them.  I still like them as much as I always did. What other people think they are worth isn't that important to me.

This rifle may sell at the advertised price.  It only takes one buyer.

antler1 said

mrcvs said
As others said, not being antique and inn.40-82 hurts this one, but the condition of this one, while decent, really hurts this one.  It’s a 75% gun when you account for barrel wear, patinated areas, etc.  Note the nice chunk missing from the right side of the stock where it meets the upper tang.
Model 1886 rifles have lost a quarter to a third of their value since the Election of 2024.  Also, this rifle falls in a very difficult spot when it comes to interest and ultimate sale.  It has too many features and too much condition to be entry level, a first time purchaser with limited funds who just wants to own a Winchester 1886 rifle.  Thus, it cannot sell in the under $1500 or $2000 range to a guy with limited funds and wants a Winchester 1886.  This first time purchaser will likely want something to shoot, and unless he reloads, which is extremely unlikely, any caliber other than .45-70 will likely be of little or no interest.
A higher end collector will find the special order features but will be turned off by the condition.  He would rather spend more for something with condition.
Caveat emptor!  It is these midrange Winchester Model 1886 (and 1892s, 1894s, 1895s, etc) that will become increasingly a burden.  Which is really sad because, not only do I have a few of them, but they used to be a stepping stone for collectors of modest means who became aware of and appreciated those special order features and would spend a little more for them, but couldn’t afford a pristine example.
Sort of reflects society.  This very rifle would have been owned by a middle class individual the last several decades.  As the middle class diminishes, so does interest in this diminish.  And so the burgeoning lower class and the ever wealthy upper class will chase both ends of the spectrum leaving this one soundly in the dust with little interest.
  

I guess I'm still in the dust pile as I find this a very appealing 1886
  

I didn’t say that I don’t find this rifle appealing, as I do.  It’s just that folks like you and I who do are dwindling.  It’s still appealing to many, most who lack the funds to acquire it.  Or those that have the funds strive for something better in most cases.

mrcvs said
As others said, not being antique and inn.40-82 hurts this one, but the condition of this one, while decent, really hurts this one.  It’s a 75% gun when you account for barrel wear, patinated areas, etc.  Note the nice chunk missing from the right side of the stock where it meets the upper tang.
Model 1886 rifles have lost a quarter to a third of their value since the Election of 2024.  Also, this rifle falls in a very difficult spot when it comes to interest and ultimate sale.  It has too many features and too much condition to be entry level, a first time purchaser with limited funds who just wants to own a Winchester 1886 rifle.  Thus, it cannot sell in the under $1500 or $2000 range to a guy with limited funds and wants a Winchester 1886.  This first time purchaser will likely want something to shoot, and unless he reloads, which is extremely unlikely, any caliber other than .45-70 will likely be of little or no interest.
A higher end collector will find the special order features but will be turned off by the condition.  He would rather spend more for something with condition.
Caveat emptor!  It is these midrange Winchester Model 1886 (and 1892s, 1894s, 1895s, etc) that will become increasingly a burden.  Which is really sad because, not only do I have a few of them, but they used to be a stepping stone for collectors of modest means who became aware of and appreciated those special order features and would spend a little more for them, but couldn’t afford a pristine example.
Sort of reflects society.  This very rifle would have been owned by a middle class individual the last several decades.  As the middle class diminishes, so does interest in this diminish.  And so the burgeoning lower class and the ever wealthy upper class will chase both ends of the spectrum leaving this one soundly in the dust with little interest.
  

I guess I'm still in the dust pile as I find this a very appealing 1886

Model 1886 rifles have lost a quarter to a third of their value since the Election of 2024.  Also, this rifle falls in a very difficult spot when it comes to interest and ultimate sale.  It has too many features and too much condition to be entry level, a first time purchaser with limited funds who just wants to own a Winchester 1886 rifle.  Thus, it cannot sell in the under $1500 or $2000 range to a guy with limited funds and wants a Winchester 1886.  This first time purchaser will likely want something to shoot, and unless he reloads, which is extremely unlikely, any caliber other than .45-70 will likely be of little or no interest.

A higher end collector will find the special order features but will be turned off by the condition.  He would rather spend more for something with condition.

Caveat emptor!  It is these midrange Winchester Model 1886 (and 1892s, 1894s, 1895s, etc) that will become increasingly a burden.  Which is really sad because, not only do I have a few of them, but they used to be a stepping stone for collectors of modest means who became aware of and appreciated those special order features and would spend a little more for them, but couldn’t afford a pristine example.

Sort of reflects society.  This very rifle would have been owned by a middle class individual the last several decades.  As the middle class diminishes, so does interest in this diminish.  And so the burgeoning lower class and the ever wealthy upper class will chase both ends of the spectrum leaving this one soundly in the dust with little interest.

There is a certain freedom afforded by reproductions. Because my own 405 is rice powered and so of low origins, I may give it over to my gunsmith to install either a reproduction Silver's pad like T.R. had or a reproduction patent date pad. But for the time being, it will get fed 40/82 velocity handloads. 

steve004 said

TR said
   Nice gun but 40-82 and modern caps the value. That said it's probably worth what he's asking. T/R
  

I agree that the chambering and the non-antique status hurt the value.  For me, the wear - little dings and blue loss on the barrel - particularly around the barrel address - turn me off.  I'll not go as far as to say this wear, "doesn't add up" to the wear on the rest of the rifle, but it's giving me pause and one of the reasons I'd have to hold this rifle in my hands before giving it serious consideration.  Even if I did hold the rifle in my hands and assured myself the wear did, "add up" I would still find the barrel wear unappealing.  I do like the bright blue on the receiver sides - that's the first aspect the drew me to the rifle.  Then I looked at the barrel and though, "oh"
  

I'm probably "above my raising" here but, given the difference in bluing methods employed by Winchester to color barrels and receivers, at the time, i have usually seen more blue loss on the machine-blue receiver than the rust-blue barrel. 

TR said
   Nice gun but 40-82 and modern caps the value. That said it's probably worth what he's asking. T/R
  

I agree that the chambering and the non-antique status hurt the value.  For me, the wear - little dings and blue loss on the barrel - particularly around the barrel address - turn me off.  I'll not go as far as to say this wear, "doesn't add up" to the wear on the rest of the rifle, but it's giving me pause and one of the reasons I'd have to hold this rifle in my hands before giving it serious consideration.  Even if I did hold the rifle in my hands and assured myself the wear did, "add up" I would still find the barrel wear unappealing.  I do like the bright blue on the receiver sides - that's the first aspect the drew me to the rifle.  Then I looked at the barrel and though, "oh"

MidwestCrisis said
You definitely have a project.  I was talking about taking the fore end off and looking for the barrel date. What did you use to sand it?  
  

This is a picture of the barrel markings under the fore end and spot where the missing “ejector” is and I got to researching it myself and i believe the part I am missing is actually the right cartridge glide I assume the screw fell out of the side of the gun and it fell out at some point he said that it was the ejector but that is still in it. Sorry the pictures are so bad I don’t have anyone to hold the gun while I hold the flashlight and camera 

MidwestCrisis said
You definitely have a project.  I was talking about taking the fore end off and looking for the barrel date. What did you use to sand it?  
  

First all my sanding is done by hand and I cut maybe 4 inch by 4 inch squares from a sheet of sandpaper I use 150 first then 220 then 400 and 1000 after that I put my polyurethane and I haven’t been doing it very long yet to figure out exactly how I want to do it but on this particular gun I sprayed the polyurethane on it and sanded it lightly with 400 and 1000 between each coat and sprayed 4 coats but I will probably add more coats. On a Stevens 311 I did I put polycrylic with a fine brush did the same sanding steps as before and then the last 4 coats were with polyurethane I put 8 coats total 4 polycrylic and 4 polyurethane and it was really smooth not perfect like I’ve seen other peoples work but I’m experimenting right now trying to find what works best for me.