Thank you to everyone here. This body of expertise is SO helpful!

Tony 

Chuck said

Anthony said

Chuck said
This Henry is not in the correct serial number range for a later military rifle.  Take a picture of the cleaning rod.  It is really hard to tell the difference of an original metal rod and the repos so I wouldn't worry about it.  
  

Chuck,
I am pretty sure serial numbers between  7000-9000, are "Type ll martial" Henry Rifles. I have one so marked a few hundred numbers under the one mentioned. These were Mfg. in 1864, and 1865.
Tony
  

That proves never say never.  Does it have the later stamp or the earlier stamps?
  

Chuck,

Good point, "To never say Never", when it comes to Winchesters, and even the fore running Henry rifles. 

I had a chance to look in Les Quick's Henry book, and on page #146, he states that "it is believed to be something in excess of 600 rifles", and normally found between serial numbers 7000-9000. Including both martially marked on the left side of the wrist of the stock.

I had to look this up and either verify or correct my earlier assumption.

I don't see anything about the, "&", stamp or mark, as he does call out the inspector marks on pages #132- #134. With the "W", "H", in the middle of the lower tang, and even a small center punch dot, " . ", located behind the lower rear receiver tang screw.

The rear sight that is on the OP, rifle is shown on page #122 , as example "D", as the 900 range sight, (which was common for the last four of the five known Henry rifle rear sights), with the retaining screw at the top of the leaf. There are no serial number ranges for the five Henry rifle sights listed.

Tony 

Buck94 said

Henry Mero said
Most Winchester Commemoratives have the most value , #1- in the original pristine box and sleeve, "unopened" , from there , #2- opened unfired pristine no marks/corrosion with a nice box and paperwork, then #3-  some handling wear and a well worn box. Once they've been fired, other than the factory, it changes the whole ball game as far as collectability and value, (to a serious Commemorative collector). Then there are a lot of extenuating factors involved, eg; which Commemorative We are speaking of. I would be willing to bet none of the 10 only R.C.M.P. presentation guns have been fired because of the value, now $30,000-$40,000.00 or more, but all 32 of the R.C.M.P. #MPX#'rd guns have been fired and still bring a huge price. A regular R.C.M.P. , in the box, in average condition brings about $2500+/- unfired and about $1200+/-, used, a big difference. A complete pridtine , Chief Crazy Horse, with matching stamps,  knife, etc. would bring a very substantial $ value, $3500 - $4000, while the one being "used is a $1200 -$1500 gun. So 'ya , large difference. Pretty much the same can be said for the rest of the "normal" commemoratives, that is to say once they've been fired and the odd little mar, they go to about 1/2 the value of the unfired , unmarred gun.  My thoughts and opinions only.
  

Zebulon said
Henry, "only" your opinion on the matter of Winchester commemoratives is going to get printed out and pinned on my office wall. Anyone interested in the genre would be wise to do the same. 
  

Respectfully, this Commemorative collector strongly disagrees and believe the facts back me up. Every day Commemoratives sell on GB and GI within a stones throw of each other with the difference in price being the same as it is for every Winchester. The closer it is to original condition the higher the price. I have seen plenty of shooter grade Winchesters without box and papers sell for 70 to 90% of a NOS depending on its condition. I would offer a Wells Fargo Commemorative that has been fired but is in otherwise excellent condition would NEVER sell for 50% of a NOS. That is folly and again the everyday sales prove my point over and over. Is it possible some Collectors will turn their nose up at them. Certainly, but not most and the sales on GB prove my point. I am a very serious Commemorative collector and speaking for myself and every Commemorative collector I know (except Henry) we value the exact same thing every Winchester collector does and that is simply the Condition of the rifle. Excluding things like provenance, the better the condition, the higher the value - no more and no less! I adamantly contest and resent the notion Commemorative collectors are snooty and would devalue a rifle 50% simply because it has been shot. Let’s not forget, every Winchester including the Commemoratives were in fact test fired by Winchester before they were shipped.  I admire Henry, his many contributions to this Forum as well as his past and present collection but respectfully, the facts lead to a different conclusion than the one he has drawn here. I offer this lovingly Bill, but you need to move that print out from your office wall to the bathroom wall 😀
  

Buck, with all due respect, you’re agreeing with Henry in this post.  You’re just looking from a glass half full vs Henry’s glass half empty perspective.  Just my opinion on what I’m reading.  Context is always misunderstood in text.  I love reading good arguments.  

marty

martin rabeno said
I have a Henry in the same serial range. With the inspectors mark on the wrist it is military. They were issued to the 3rd US Vol Veterans Infantry Div
The gun was issued to the volunteers as an sigh on bonus as they could take the gun with them when they muster out. Mine was issued to a Abraham Josephs. Check with Vonny  at The Horse soldier. She researched the serial number at the National Archive's and found all sorts of goodies for me on my rifle  Like muster cards and even a ledger Paige of him signing for the rifle
You have a good one
  

Martin,

I appreciate that information as I sent Vonny an email, @ "The Horse Soldier", to see what he might have on mine. Much appreciated.

Tony

As much as I like the 73 in this post, I don't like the re Color Case Hardened side plates looking stronger than the gun itself. I'm a fan of the CCH look, in the proper and correct unmolested firearms, but for the kind of money and the juices on top, I can't justify it, as I first was entertaining. In all honesty.

Tony

Id long wanted a Mod 64 30-30,  but had never seen or heard of one around here, exception  being a good friends Mod 64a he bought new then either 72 or 73?

This 1971 NRA Centennial Model 94 30-30 which is how its stamped,  is really just a Mod 64a and actually a little better, has the Blackened Chromed Steel Receiver, better wood or least mine does, its beautiful along with fit n finish! Ive carried this rifle year around often since 2019, and the receiver shows 0 wear, other than the few scratches at loading port. It as accurate as an iron sighted levergun can hoped to be! It's by far my favorite hunting rifle, and has confirmed to me the known attributes of its design in the deer woods! It's disproven to me the pist 64 opinions,  and reconfirmed time and time again, $600 the most well spent money of my gun experience years!

Jeremy P said
I see you're a new member Longboard...welcome! Like Tony said, are you talking about the Wells Fargo commemorative rifle? If so, I can check what stats Trolard's commemorative book gives on that one.
  

Jeremy,

He never followed up and answered, as I didn't take the time to pull Trollard's book out and go through the motions of taking the time to put down the information.  I feel he might have gotten his information and started his search mode going and moved along. Hopefully we we're able to help out.

Many times I'll post it anyways as it can help out others who might need it. Gotta keep trying to give back!

Tony

Henry Mero said
Most Winchester Commemoratives have the most value , #1- in the original pristine box and sleeve, "unopened" , from there , #2- opened unfired pristine no marks/corrosion with a nice box and paperwork, then #3-  some handling wear and a well worn box. Once they've been fired, other than the factory, it changes the whole ball game as far as collectability and value, (to a serious Commemorative collector). Then there are a lot of extenuating factors involved, eg; which Commemorative We are speaking of. I would be willing to bet none of the 10 only R.C.M.P. presentation guns have been fired because of the value, now $30,000-$40,000.00 or more, but all 32 of the R.C.M.P. #MPX#'rd guns have been fired and still bring a huge price. A regular R.C.M.P. , in the box, in average condition brings about $2500+/- unfired and about $1200+/-, used, a big difference. A complete pridtine , Chief Crazy Horse, with matching stamps,  knife, etc. would bring a very substantial $ value, $3500 - $4000, while the one being "used is a $1200 -$1500 gun. So 'ya , large difference. Pretty much the same can be said for the rest of the "normal" commemoratives, that is to say once they've been fired and the odd little mar, they go to about 1/2 the value of the unfired , unmarred gun.  My thoughts and opinions only.
  

Zebulon said
Henry, "only" your opinion on the matter of Winchester commemoratives is going to get printed out and pinned on my office wall. Anyone interested in the genre would be wise to do the same. 
  

Respectfully, this Commemorative collector strongly disagrees and believe the facts back me up. Every day Commemoratives sell on GB and GI within a stones throw of each other with the difference in price being the same as it is for every Winchester. The closer it is to original condition the higher the price. I have seen plenty of shooter grade Winchesters without box and papers sell for 70 to 90% of a NOS depending on its condition. I would offer a Wells Fargo Commemorative that has been fired but is in otherwise excellent condition would NEVER sell for 50% of a NOS. That is folly and again the everyday sales prove my point over and over. Is it possible some Collectors will turn their nose up at them. Certainly, but not most and the sales on GB prove my point. I am a very serious Commemorative collector and speaking for myself and every Commemorative collector I know (except Henry) we value the exact same thing every Winchester collector does and that is simply the Condition of the rifle. Excluding things like provenance, the better the condition, the higher the value - no more and no less! I adamantly contest and resent the notion Commemorative collectors are snooty and would devalue a rifle 50% simply because it has been shot. Let’s not forget, every Winchester including the Commemoratives were in fact test fired by Winchester before they were shipped.  I admire Henry, his many contributions to this Forum as well as his past and present collection but respectfully, the facts lead to a different conclusion than the one he has drawn here. I offer this lovingly Bill, but you need to move that print out from your office wall to the bathroom wall 😀

It's interesting to read the posts by other Eagle scouts, and go back in time and recollect those scouting memories. Like any organization and comparing to WACA, they are only as good as the members, as I was fortunate to have some really good leaders who dedicated they're time relentlessly. 

Jeff,

I still have my BSA hatchet that I used on the 11 campouts a year that we would go on, as we financed them through a newspaper drive collection, and as I was thinning out some things for a pick up by LSB earlier this year, I sent an extra BSA hatchet that was no longer needed that I acquired in a collection purchase years ago, that is currently posted on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/318551365165

My sons tried the scouting years ago but the troop was a week organization, and for me I noticed the changes in the scouting atmosphere with time as everything else has done. After I made the Eagle, they wanted me to stay on and help out with others which I did in other ways, but when a fellow classmate made his, and his mother decided to become a leader of the organization back in the 70's, it was time for me to move on, and I did. Sorry but we called it Boy Scouts for a reason.

Jeff,

You're 75 Book is sure a nice way to show some of you're referencing to the scouting affiliation, as I can remember being on a week long scouting camp and working towards my shooting merit badge with my first introduction to a Winchester rifle. The instructor was a very well respected former USMC Sniper that was a very good teacher. My youngest son remembers stories told when he was younger that helped to influence him on becoming a Scout Sniper in the Corps! Funny how life can come around full circle in so many ways.

Tony

TXGunNut said
Randy-My brother asked me about the Scout commemoratives years ago before they increased in popularity.
Jeff- my brother Steve was on the Philmont staff in the mid 70's, when I'm in Raton I like to get lunch in Cimarron and sometimes take a loop by Philmont HQ and museum. Both of us are Eagle Scouts. Lodge made special cast-iron Scout skillets awhile back, FWIW. 
 
Mike
  

I will be Skillet shopping soon!  I got to go back as the ASM leader (follower) for my son's Philmont experience and, as usual, it was awesome!  Although it is not as "politically correct" as it used to be, I have my Dad's Plumb BSA marked Scout hatchet, my Plumb BSA Scout hatchet from the 70's and my son has the newer Gerber Scout hatchet.  To heavy to carry to Philmont but all 3 have seen good trail use.  One of these days I will make a display for them, with hopefully, a few extra hatchet spots for future generations.

I didn't know you were an Eagle Scout, that explains why I like you, I couldn't figure out why before 😉

Best Regards,

Jeff- my brother Steve was on the Philmont staff in the mid 70's, when I'm in Raton I like to get lunch in Cimarron and sometimes take a loop by Philmont HQ and museum. Both of us are Eagle Scouts. Lodge made special cast-iron Scout skillets awhile back, FWIW. 

Mike