Mark Douglas said

mrcvs said

Mark Douglas said

Cowboy103 said
If one was ever able to acquire a good shooting centerfire 66 would It be possible to order some rounds from you? Would pay good money as expected.

Unfortunately, our gunsmithing insurance policy won't cover us for manufacturing ammunition unless we send them a boatload of money.  We've considered manufacturing obsolete ammunition in the past.  However, the cost of liability insurance and the inevitable intermittent component shortages have kept us from taking that plunge.  To make it economically feasible, we'd have to produce fairly large quantities on a consistent basis.
If you reload, I bought the 44 Henry dies from CH4D and the bullet molds and crimp die from Old West Bullet Molds.  Remember that the 44 Henry is a heeled base bullet and there is a definite learning curve to getting a correct crimp with a collet-type crimp die used for heeled base bullets.  Mark
  

What if you manufactured it and sold it to a customer provided they agreed to sign a waiver?
  

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that waivers are nearly worthless when it comes to product liability.  Even if we were to prevail against a claim in a court of law, it would likely ruin us financially.  To risk everything without any liability insurance just to sell a few rounds of obsolete ammo would be taking on far more risk than I would ever consider. 
I'd encourage anyone who wants to shoot these 1866's to make their own ammo for them. The tooling and components are available.  Besides, making your own ammo is a big part of the fun.  Mark 
  

Well said and explained Mark! As a previous business owner, the word "NO", was a very important thing to adhere to, and made for many successful years, for us. You didn't get to where you are by mistake, as you've earned you're great reputation and following.

Tony

mrcvs said

Mark Douglas said

Cowboy103 said
If one was ever able to acquire a good shooting centerfire 66 would It be possible to order some rounds from you? Would pay good money as expected.

Unfortunately, our gunsmithing insurance policy won't cover us for manufacturing ammunition unless we send them a boatload of money.  We've considered manufacturing obsolete ammunition in the past.  However, the cost of liability insurance and the inevitable intermittent component shortages have kept us from taking that plunge.  To make it economically feasible, we'd have to produce fairly large quantities on a consistent basis.
If you reload, I bought the 44 Henry dies from CH4D and the bullet molds and crimp die from Old West Bullet Molds.  Remember that the 44 Henry is a heeled base bullet and there is a definite learning curve to getting a correct crimp with a collet-type crimp die used for heeled base bullets.  Mark
  

What if you manufactured it and sold it to a customer provided they agreed to sign a waiver?
  

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that waivers are nearly worthless when it comes to product liability.  Even if we were to prevail against a claim in a court of law, it would likely ruin us financially.  To risk everything without any liability insurance just to sell a few rounds of obsolete ammo would be taking on far more risk than I would ever consider. 

I'd encourage anyone who wants to shoot these 1866's to make their own ammo for them. The tooling and components are available.  Besides, making your own ammo is a big part of the fun.  Mark 

Mark Douglas said

Cowboy103 said
If one was ever able to acquire a good shooting centerfire 66 would It be possible to order some rounds from you? Would pay good money as expected.

Unfortunately, our gunsmithing insurance policy won't cover us for manufacturing ammunition unless we send them a boatload of money.  We've considered manufacturing obsolete ammunition in the past.  However, the cost of liability insurance and the inevitable intermittent component shortages have kept us from taking that plunge.  To make it economically feasible, we'd have to produce fairly large quantities on a consistent basis.
If you reload, I bought the 44 Henry dies from CH4D and the bullet molds and crimp die from Old West Bullet Molds.  Remember that the 44 Henry is a heeled base bullet and there is a definite learning curve to getting a correct crimp with a collet-type crimp die used for heeled base bullets.  Mark
  

What if you manufactured it and sold it to a customer provided they agreed to sign a waiver?

Cowboy103 said

If one was ever able to acquire a good shooting centerfire 66 would It be possible to order some rounds from you? Would pay good money as expected.

Unfortunately, our gunsmithing insurance policy won't cover us for manufacturing ammunition unless we send them a boatload of money.  We've considered manufacturing obsolete ammunition in the past.  However, the cost of liability insurance and the inevitable intermittent component shortages have kept us from taking that plunge.  To make it economically feasible, we'd have to produce fairly large quantities on a consistent basis.

If you reload, I bought the 44 Henry dies from CH4D and the bullet molds and crimp die from Old West Bullet Molds.  Remember that the 44 Henry is a heeled base bullet and there is a definite learning curve to getting a correct crimp with a collet-type crimp die used for heeled base bullets.  Mark

steve004 said
I'm just reflecting that the two extremely nice Model 1866's, featured in this thread, were purchased by women.  Not that there's anything wrong about that.  I'd like to see even more of that
  

Amen Steve! I’m not sure which is more impressive in this post, the 66’s or the woman? In either case and in my humble opinion, neither are average 😀 congrats guys!

Bob

Mark Douglas said

Buck1967 said

steve004 said
I know the topic of this thread started with, "The average 1866" but Burt Humphrey took us off course with his far from average (i.e. wonderful) '66.  I've never owned a '66 but that's not due to zero desire.  I happened to be watching one of Mark Douglas's videos this morning on the M1866.  This one is also very far from average.  It had great appeal to me.  In fact, if I could own the one in his video and the one Burt has, I'd be ... well... words escape me as to how happy I would be.
Mark has great fun shooting the rifle and does a great job of explaining the topic of conversion from rimfire to centerfire:

  

Stunning video and thanks for sharing! That would indeed be a dream Winchester to own! 
  

Believe it or not, my wife recently acquired that 1866 and encouraged me to make the video.  I married far above my station.
Just yesterday, I loaded up some black powder cartridges and did some more shooting with it.  Mark
  

If one was ever able to acquire a good shooting centerfire 66 would It be possible to order some rounds from you? Would pay good money as expected.

steve004 said

Mark Douglas said

Buck1967 said

steve004 said
I know the topic of this thread started with, "The average 1866" but Burt Humphrey took us off course with his far from average (i.e. wonderful) '66.  I've never owned a '66 but that's not due to zero desire.  I happened to be watching one of Mark Douglas's videos this morning on the M1866.  This one is also very far from average.  It had great appeal to me.  In fact, if I could own the one in his video and the one Burt has, I'd be ... well... words escape me as to how happy I would be.
Mark has great fun shooting the rifle and does a great job of explaining the topic of conversion from rimfire to centerfire:

  

Stunning video and thanks for sharing! That would indeed be a dream Winchester to own! 
  

Believe it or not, my wife recently acquired that 1866 and encouraged me to make the video.  I married far above my station.
Just yesterday, I loaded up some black powder cartridges and did some more shooting with it.  Mark
  

Wow!  Yes indeed!  And as I recall, this is the same wife that has let you shoot her Colt Lightning .50-95!
  

Nice - that 66 carbine was a Christmas gift from my wife a long time ago - the gun came from Tommy Rholes. A unique feature of very early 66 carbines is the rifle butt - both 66 rifles and carbines were fitted with rifle style butt stocks until around serial #22,000. I personally like the look of the rifle buttstock better than the later carbine style butt. 

Mark Douglas said

Buck1967 said

steve004 said
I know the topic of this thread started with, "The average 1866" but Burt Humphrey took us off course with his far from average (i.e. wonderful) '66.  I've never owned a '66 but that's not due to zero desire.  I happened to be watching one of Mark Douglas's videos this morning on the M1866.  This one is also very far from average.  It had great appeal to me.  In fact, if I could own the one in his video and the one Burt has, I'd be ... well... words escape me as to how happy I would be.
Mark has great fun shooting the rifle and does a great job of explaining the topic of conversion from rimfire to centerfire:

  

Stunning video and thanks for sharing! That would indeed be a dream Winchester to own! 
  

Believe it or not, my wife recently acquired that 1866 and encouraged me to make the video.  I married far above my station.
Just yesterday, I loaded up some black powder cartridges and did some more shooting with it.  Mark
  

Wow!  Yes indeed!  And as I recall, this is the same wife that has let you shoot her Colt Lightning .50-95!

Buck1967 said

steve004 said
I know the topic of this thread started with, "The average 1866" but Burt Humphrey took us off course with his far from average (i.e. wonderful) '66.  I've never owned a '66 but that's not due to zero desire.  I happened to be watching one of Mark Douglas's videos this morning on the M1866.  This one is also very far from average.  It had great appeal to me.  In fact, if I could own the one in his video and the one Burt has, I'd be ... well... words escape me as to how happy I would be.
Mark has great fun shooting the rifle and does a great job of explaining the topic of conversion from rimfire to centerfire:

  

Stunning video and thanks for sharing! That would indeed be a dream Winchester to own! 
  

Believe it or not, my wife recently acquired that 1866 and encouraged me to make the video.  I married far above my station.

Just yesterday, I loaded up some black powder cartridges and did some more shooting with it.  Mark

steve004 said
I know the topic of this thread started with, "The average 1866" but Burt Humphrey took us off course with his far from average (i.e. wonderful) '66.  I've never owned a '66 but that's not due to zero desire.  I happened to be watching one of Mark Douglas's videos this morning on the M1866.  This one is also very far from average.  It had great appeal to me.  In fact, if I could own the one in his video and the one Burt has, I'd be ... well... words escape me as to how happy I would be.
Mark has great fun shooting the rifle and does a great job of explaining the topic of conversion from rimfire to centerfire:

  

Stunning video and thanks for sharing! That would indeed be a dream Winchester to own! 

This reminds me of spending time with my grandparents in the early 70's.  They were farmers and very hardworking people.  They had very similar histories, attitudes and generally were always on the same page.  They would enjoy watching a TV program in the evenings and my grandmother's favorite show was Mash.  She really enjoyed the comedic aspect of it.  My grandfather refused to watch it.  I recall his statement on the topic:  "there's nothing funny about war."  I don't think he would have thought much of paintball games.  

There's many paths that lead us to the attitudes and perspectives we take.  None of us have walked down identical paths. 

Mark has great fun shooting the rifle and does a great job of explaining the topic of conversion from rimfire to centerfire:

tsbccut said

Sorry Michael, but it's not my rifle. I came across it on the Guns International site. Item number is 103483425
Regards,
Tom
  

That is a help.  I found it.

Michael