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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Later 1949 transition Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fuller-</p>
<p>Glancing at the M70 survey, I have four STANDARD length Type II (cloverleaf tang) M70s in the 114,XXX range (S/Ns 114188, 114220, 114249, and 114262). If you'd care to tell me the serial number of your rifle (by PM if you prefer), I'd like to add it to the survey.  Those are the latest Type II STANDARD receivers I encountered.  As for the H&#038;H Magnum receivers, the last of them were finished and serialized mostly in the 121,000 to 123,000 range, with the latest I've seen being 126288.</p>
<p>The Type II receiver serial numbers are all over the place.  I'm not quoting Roger here, just looking at the survey... <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /> The first batch is in the 55,300 to 55,400 range, well before they stopped making pre-war Type I receivers.  Around S/N 60,500 they become the predominant type and stay that way until around S/N 87,700 when the oval tang Type III receivers appear.  Still...  Batches (serial number clusters) of STANDARD Type II rifles appear in the 101,000 to 103,000 range, again in the 108,000 range, sporadically between 109,000 and 112,000, and then finally in the 114,000s.  Oddly, nearly all of the Type II receivers in the 101,000 to 103,000 range were built into 257 ROBERTS rifles...</p>
<p>I guess there must have been a lot of partly milled Type II receivers lying around when they started making Type IIIs (both Standard and H&#038;H Magnum), and they finished them out during 1949.  I also suspect that some Type II receivers that were serialized in the 87,000 range were actually assembled into rifles during 1949 along with the Type II receivers finished and serialized in the 1949 range.  That's probably (???) the explanation for the uncommon Type II rifles with cloverleaf tang inletting and "looped" pistol grips...  The "looped" grip profile appears around s/n 125,000.  My GUESS is that to finish these leftover Type II receivers they had to make stocks inlet for the cloverleaf tang they but didn't change the setting for the pistol grip contour.  </p>
<p>Who knew this was so complicated!!!  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" /> Here's an oddball of mine... S/N 100313, a Type II-2 (cloverleaf tang + late dogleg safety) Super Grade in 257 ROBERTS (no surprise there) with a "no cheekpiece" Super Grade stock.  The most common request of left handed shooters wanting a Model 70 Super Grade but not wanting to pay for a right side cheekpiece...  Hmmm...</p>
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<p>Just my take,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2026 21:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Tedk on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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<p><strong>Chris D said </strong><br />
That is a fine 1876. <br />
I find it interesting that there are still lines in the 'One of One Thousand' engraving. They appear to be lines that the engraver used to help with engraving the words in an even line. I know zippo about engraving but that is what it seems like to me. I would have thought these lines would have been polished off prio to it leaving the factory? <br />
I would like to here what others think about this. </p>
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<p>Actually kind of like that the lines are there, they don’t bother me at all</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2026 21:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>450 Fuller on Later 1949 transition Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>In January I happened upon a 1949 M 70  "cloverleaf" tang rifle in the 114XXX SN range, chambered in 270 WCF. Many of these later Type II "transition" Model 70s ocurred in the late 1940s and quite a few were in the magnum calibers. This rifle has a pristine bore and is amazingly accurate, which creates a challenge for my hunting rifle experience. The "cloverleaf" tang Type II-1/2  rifles were supposed to have all been phased out by 1948 preparing for the Type III. Another indication that "Rule rules" and Winchester exceptions do not travel the same path. </p>
<p>I do have a 1950s Savage 99 EG in 250-3000. The Arizona Coues variety of whitetails would welcome the Savage, not so much the transition Model 70.</p>
<p>The 270 WCF cartridge was almost developed for deer and antelope. Jack O'Connor would agree with his own Model 70 rifles.</p>
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                    <title>cj57 on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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<p><strong>Chris D said </strong><br />
That is a fine 1876. <br />
I find it interesting that there are still lines in the 'One of One Thousand' engraving. They appear to be lines that the engraver used to help with engraving the words in an even line. I know zippo about engraving but that is what it seems like to me. I would have thought these lines would have been polished off prio to it leaving the factory? <br />
I would like to here what others think about this. </p>
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<p>I think the lines didn't show when new as the blue was dark and rich and as it aged and thinned they show up like the striations and some later models receivers. Just a thought!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2026 13:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1badf350 on Picked up a nice flat band carbine this week</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you everyone for the kind words about my new rifle. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2026 11:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chris D on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That is a fine 1876. </p>
<p>I find it interesting that there are still lines in the 'One of One Thousand' engraving. They appear to be lines that the engraver used to help with engraving the words in an even line. I know zippo about engraving but that is what it seems like to me. I would have thought these lines would have been polished off prio to it leaving the factory? </p>
<p>I would like to here what others think about this. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2026 08:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Picked up a nice flat band carbine this week</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Nice score, Chris. Someone has taken good care of that carbine and I'm glad you're the new custodian of this nice, clean Winchester. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2026 02:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tionesta1 on Picked up a nice flat band carbine this week</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Heck of a good price on that one. Nice flatband.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2026 00:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Picked up a nice flat band carbine this week</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah you did great on that one. Nice wood on it too.</p>
<p>Feels good to score one at a good price amongst all the craziness, doesn't it!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2026 23:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Picked up a nice flat band carbine this week</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Nice rifle and great price.  Good job </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2026 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1badf350 on Picked up a nice flat band carbine this week</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I don’t post much and I can count my Winchesters on one hand so I wanted to share.</p>
<p>I picked up this 1948 flat band carbine for $700 at a local shop this week. I think it’s in great shape for its age. </p>
<p>It’s already in Bert’s survey…I think </p>
<p>-Chris R. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2026 21:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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<p><strong>Maverick said </strong><br />
 I imagine if the right players get involved it will likely exceed the top end estimate.</p>
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<p>I wouldn't be shocked to see "almost" double that estimate. They're going to go loony over it. Pretty gun to say the least.</p>
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                    <title>Maverick on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>And to add further to Bert's comment there are no Serial Number Application (SNA) ledgers for the Model 1876 at Cody and they likely no longer exist. The SNA ledgers were a separate ledger from the Warehouse Ledgers. If you look on Cody's website you can find a list of which models the W &#038; SNA records are available for each model at Cody.</p>
<p>That is a well documented 1 of 1000. I imagine if the right players get involved it will likely exceed the top end estimate.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Maverick   </p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on RIA 1 of 1000 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Winchester began production of the Model 1876 in late May of the year 1877, with the first delivery to the warehouse taking place on June 8, 1877.  The first public announcement for the Centennial Model was in a Winchester leaflet dated August 10, 1877.  Therefore, any Model 1876 that letters as being received in the warehouse in the year 1877 is indeed a "first year" gun.</p>
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<p><strong>Buck1967 said </strong><br />
Hi Guys,<br />
RIA has a 1 of 1000 1876 up for auction and I posted the link below. My question is how do they and the WACA database both show this as a First year production if it wasn’t received in the warehouse until Oct of 77 and no data exists on when the serial # was applied per the Cody letter? I’m suspect of RIA’s word smithing after reading so many of your enlightening posts but in this case the WACA date tool backs up their claim. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks, Buck<br />
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<p>  I see your point. Perhaps another question is, how can it be a 1 of 1000 if Winchester at s/n 457 hasn't made 1000 barrels yet? Did they wait until October to test 1000 barrels?</p>
<p>  The serial number on a 76 is on the lower tang which is part of the frame unlike the 73. These guns were not assembled in order of serial number. The whole 1 of 1000 was just a marketing idea to enhance the brand. I'm sure RIA spin is much the same, but they do a amazing job of selling. They got us talking about a high ticket gun on the Forum. T/R</p>
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