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                    <title>Jeremy P on Just an observation . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My shoulder hurts just thinking about the two examples listed just above <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
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                    <title>twobit on Just an observation . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I used to hear my dad say "load on Sunday and shoot all week!"  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />  </p>
<p>Michael</p>
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                    <title>oldcrankyyankee on Just an observation . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My 36" 1886 holds 11 45-90 in the mag one in the chamber for 12 total. t</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 17:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Henry Mero on Just an observation . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Man , if You think these '94's are heavy, how would You like to cart around a Mod. '76  30" heavy barrel all loaded up with .50-95  0r an '86  30" heavy barrel full of 45-70-500gr . I don't know what the weight would be , but I'm guessing close to 20 lbs. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 17:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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<p><strong>Henry Mero said </strong><br />
As Jeremy said, post it here with several pictures , complete serial number etc. You are in the right place to sell it to a collector.   Harry<br />
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<p>Yes, indeed. Someone here may be interested and can help you through. Welcome to the forums!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 17:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Just an observation . . .</title>
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<p><strong>Jim F in CT said </strong></p>
<p>Still wonder if all that “firepower” was ever necessary in a sporting rifle.</p>
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<p>Better to have and not need than, well, you know.... 🙂</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 17:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Henry Mero on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As Jeremy said, post it here with several pictures , complete serial number etc. You are in the right place to sell it to a collector.   Harry</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 17:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Just an observation . . .</title>
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<p><strong>Tedk said </strong><br />
Over the 60+ years I’ve chased PA and NY bucks I would typically load three cartridges in my gun. First shot is the money shot and in 60+ years have never taken a shot at a tail bounding away through the woods.<br />
On the other hand I frequently hear strings of 5 or 6 rapid fire shots in deer season and have to wonder what kind of shots the shooter is taking.<br />
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<p>Same thing in Texas. I was pretty sure my 94 rifles held more than 2 rounds but can't recall ever finding out how many. I think a carbine with a full-length magazine holds five or six. I'm pretty sure I checked that a few decades back. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>If it is as truly as nice as you say (someone will be by shortly to request pics 🙂 ), you might do well to have a major auction house sell it for you. GunBroker is not as friendly to a new online seller. At least if you're going to pay fees, get top dollar.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 16:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>jim@wjharrison.com on Winchester 1873 questions</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Morning,</p>
<p>I was recently given a very nice 1873 in .38-40. Octagonal barrel, original wood in good shape retaining most of original finish, bluing 90%+ intact, no damage or rusting. Bore is shiny with strong rifling. Best I have seen. Evidently shot very little. serial 477***B.</p>
<p>If I decide to sell, what would be best online places to do so?</p>
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<p>Any instructive thoughts on value?</p>
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<p>Thanks, </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Tedk on Just an observation . . .</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Over the 60+ years I’ve chased PA and NY bucks I would typically load three cartridges in my gun. First shot is the money shot and in 60+ years have never taken a shot at a tail bounding away through the woods.</p>
<p>On the other hand I frequently hear strings of 5 or 6 rapid fire shots in deer season and have to wonder what kind of shots the shooter is taking.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2026 16:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rob Kassab on Bavarian contract Henry Rifle</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen,</p>
<p>I am currently working with a gentleman in Germany, Mr. Christian Borchers, WACA #69016 who has a keen interest in these rifles.  So far, he has been a good friend and resource.  We have been in contact with several European firearms museums, including one in Liège, Belgium.  Although nothing is conclusive yet, we are tending to think that contrary to popular beliefs, these guns are not connected with Bavaria.  To better explain where we are at, here's my email to the Belgium museum:</p>
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<p><span style="font-family: &apos;Times New Roman&apos;,serif">We are currently conducting research into a European-made copy of the Henry rifle. These firearms are commonly referred to by collectors as "Bavarian Contract Henrys." However, based upon research conducted over many decades by both American and German collectors and historians, we believe this designation may be incorrect. At present, there is no definitive evidence that these rifles were manufactured in Bavaria or elsewhere in Germany, nor that they were produced under contract for either the Bavarian or Prussian military.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: &apos;Times New Roman&apos;,serif">Based on the serial numbers of known surviving examples (see attached), including serial number 134, which we understand is in the collection of your Liège Arms Museum, we estimate that approximately 500 rifles were manufactured, likely sometime between 1860 and 1875. While their exact origin remains unknown, current evidence increasingly points toward the possibility that they were produced in Liège.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: &apos;Times New Roman&apos;,serif">As you know, the Liège arms industry was well known during the nineteenth century for manufacturing copies of Winchester firearms. It therefore seems plausible that these Henry copies may have been produced in Liège for a specialized military unit, a foreign government contract in Latin America, or possibly for use in Africa or Asia.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: &apos;Times New Roman&apos;,serif">I personally own serial number 471 and have attached photographs for your review. Of particular interest are several inspector's marks that we have thus far been unable to identify with any degree of certainty. We are hopeful that these markings may provide clues regarding the rifles' place of manufacture or intended destination.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: &apos;Times New Roman&apos;,serif">I have also enclosed a relatively recent article published in a German firearms journal discussing these rifles and the continuing mystery surrounding their origin, manufacture, and service history.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: &apos;Times New Roman&apos;,serif">Because no documentary evidence has yet been found linking these rifles to Bavaria, and because further research in Germany has yielded limited results, our investigation has increasingly focused on Belgium and specifically on Liège. We would therefore be most grateful for any information, observations, archival references, or insights that you might be able to provide, especially regarding the crown over gothic “L” mark.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: &apos;Times New Roman&apos;,serif">Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Any assistance you can offer would be sincerely appreciated and would contribute significantly to our ongoing research.</span></p>
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<p>We will be keeping you posted as to our progress.  I will also be posting a "Information Wanted" notice in our magazine so see if we can identify any serials beyond the 17 guns we have found: 31, 47, 65, 71, 134, 170, 181, 197, 212, 217, 300, 325, 331, 379, 456, 471, 491</p>
<p>Please let us know if you know of any other serial numbers that are out there.  In the meantime, please welcome my good friend and WACA member Christian Borchers to our forum community.</p>
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                    <title>twobit on Just an observation . . .</title>
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<p>twobit said<br />
And then there are guys like this one.  "MUST HAVE MORE MACHO AMMO!!"  I always like to comment that they must plan on missing a LOT!<br />
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<p>When I would “hang out” at my LGS, I would just shake my head when a patron would come in . . .and after saying, “hello”  . . and looking at some firearm . . . .INVARIBLY  the VERY NEXT COMMENT he would ask, is, “How many rounds does it hold?”<br />
Seems lately, everyone is GOING TO WAR!<br />
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<p>I am in total agreement!!  When I am out at my ranch and listen to some of my neighbors "target shoot" as they rip off 5 to twenty shots in rapid succession I just scratch my head and wonder why.   But I gues those sub three foot groupings are satisfying!  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Kiss" alt="Kiss" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-kiss.gif" /></p>
<p>Michael</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Just an observation . . .</title>
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<p>When I would “hang out” at my LGS, I would just shake my head when a patron would come in . . .and after saying, “hello”  . . and looking at some firearm . . . .INVARIBLY  the VERY NEXT COMMENT he would ask, is, “How many rounds does it hold?”<br />
Seems lately, everyone is GOING TO WAR!<br />
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<p>That is a very short answer for most of my Winchester collection... <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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                    <title>Jim F in CT on Just an observation . . .</title>
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<p><strong>twobit said </strong><br />
And then there are guys like this one.  "MUST HAVE MORE MACHO AMMO!!"  I always like to comment that they must plan on missing a LOT!</p>
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<p>When I would “hang out” at my LGS, I would just shake my head when a patron would come in . . .and after saying, “hello”  . . and looking at some firearm . . . .INVARIBLY  the VERY NEXT COMMENT he would ask, is, “How many rounds does it hold?”</p>
<p>Seems lately, everyone is GOING TO WAR!</p>
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