Wow, when I asked the question back in the beginning:

“about when did Winchester stop making the model 94 in 38-55”?   I didn’t think this post would lead into some interesting conversation about the law and how it’s interpreted.  All I wanted to know is when did Winchester stop making the 94 in 38-55?  Anyway, very interesting conversation.

Sb, by the way, I saw the 38-55 on Guns International also. Very nice gun, and the one I pointed out from Leroy Merz is a very nice carbine with a ton of condition, I too like these very late guns in the rarer calibers.

Al

hokie said

   Good Evening People,,,,,

  From The Twilight Zone, It’s 6:21 pm, 15 April 2015, I Hope You Enjoyed Your Day.

  Please Take Note:

#1 – What You are About to Read, Is In Regards to the Original Thread Title and Original First (1) Post.

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#4 – I Would Have Enjoyed Reading it, in The Revised Format.

#5 – I Hope You Enjoy Reading This Thread, In The Revised Edition, Also

#6 – Again, I am Expressing, MY OWN OPINION, For Revising This Thread, To Relevant Comments About The Original Thread and Original Post.

#7 – In My Opinion, A Simple Question, That Was Asked to be Answered, By All Winchester Collectors Representing The WACA.

#8 – Am I, of Sound (competent) State Of Mind ?  You Be the Judge of That. If YOU Choose to READ MY POST.

*9 – Just Remember, It’s Coming From, The Twilight Zone. (my zone)

 

tionesta1 said

About when was the last model 94’s made in 38-55 caliber. Saw this on Merz’s web site and am curious.
http://merzantiques.com/item/rare-pre-64-winchester-94-in-the-1157000-serial-range

Thanks,

Al

Al,

The last ones I know of are 1936 vintage, like this rifle, and about 50,000 rifles earlier.

tionesta1 said

I’m not sure what you mean by”and about 50,000 rifles earler”? Do you mean that the gun listed on Merz is too late to be a 38-55?

Thanks,

Al

Al,

Winchester announced in the January 1938 Salesman catalog that the 32-40 and 38-55 calibers were officially discontinued. At the same time they announced that the Model 94 Sporting Rifle and Model 55 Rifle were discontinued, and that only the Model 94 Carbine and Model 64 Rifle were available.

Serial number 1157117 (Merz’s gun) was manufactured in mid December 1937. If it was not the last one made in 38-55, it was very near it. That stated, I have found a small number (less than a handful) that were made after January 1938. In each case, they appeared to be parts clean guns.

So, how can Leroy Merz claim he has both one of the last .38-55’s produced, and yet it is an antique (pre-1899)???? 

 

Not sure where you got the idea it was made pre-1899. As mentioned above, it was made in 1937.

 

Merz has it listed under the “antique” category which was probably just a simple error on his part.

Regards,

Leroy has about 15 or so Model 1894s that are listed as antiques
one is above 4000000 not sure what is up with the guys at Merzs?

 

After a long hiatus the caliber was re-introduced in the mid 90s and is still available today.

tionesta1 said

Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to educate me.

 

The top of the Page states 

“Merz Antique Firearms ~ Catalog of Old Guns and Related Items”

Merz Antique Firearms is the name of the company.

“~Catalog of Old Guns and Related Items” that statement seems self-evident or self explanatory.

No where is the description of the firearm does Merz mention the firearm is a antique. So I think you guys are blowing this one out of the water quite a bit. And as long as Mr. Merz has been in business I imagine he knows the difference between an Antique or otherwise. 

Sincerely,

 

I don’t think everyone will ever agree on this topic, whether its the Madis vs. PR dates or interpreting the antique firearm laws or codes. Ultimately its not much different than speeding on the highway. I really don’t care how fast you are going if you are driving the car and I’m the passenger (unless we hit 88mph and end up in Hokies “twilight zone). Yet when I am driving it becomes my responsibility to follow the law as I am the one at risk to get the ticket.

I suppose we can make our own interpretations and take care of our own affairs as we see fit. The consequences will eventually catch up with the folks that deserve them, like the Tulsa gun show thieves.

    Hello Al, From The Twilight Zone,,,,,

  To answer Your Question About When the Last (Model 94) 38-55 Was Built, I am Presuming a Pre 64 Model 94 in 38-55 Caliber. As that is what the posted link is showing.

  This Should Be a Elementary Answer (not grade school, high school or college) Just a Relevant Answer, to a Elementary Question.

  I would have to Revert to, The Bible, The New Testament,  “The Winchester Model 94, The First 100 Years”.  By a Renowned Author, Who is a WACA Member (BOBR94) and Makes an Appearance Here Once in a While, to Offer His Words of Wisdom Regarding The Winchester Model 94 and It’s Variants.

  I Will Reference, Chapter 2 (Barrels), Verse 3 (Details), Page 65.  Pre 64, Model 94 Rifle, 38-55 Caliber, Serial # 2,137,xxx.  Built in the, mid 1950’s

  Al, I might not be 100% correct on this, but with all My reference material available to me, that I have read. It is my opinion that this might be the Last, Pre 64 Model 94 made, in 38-55 caliber.

  Oh by the way, you should get a copy of this book as it is full of information. If you favor the Winchester Model 94.

 hokie

 

 

 

 

hokie,

Thanks for the response.  I have the “the bible”,The Winchester Model 94, The First 100 years. Great book, and Author.  I will take a look at page 65.  Bert, and twobit have also answered my question up towards the beginning of this post. In my opinion, these folks are great assets to this Association, and I commend them, and all the people on here who take the time maintain surveys for our benefit.

 By the way. I think I’m from the same “twilight zone” you’re from. I’m from Western PA.

Al

Maverick said

hokie,

Thanks for the response.  I have the “the bible”,The Winchester Model 94, The First 100 years. Great book, and Author.  I will take a look at page 65.  Bert, and twobit have also answered my question up towards the beginning of this post. In my opinion, these folks are great assets to this Association, and I commend them, and all the people on here who take the time maintain surveys for our benefit.

 By the way. I think I’m from the same “twilight zone” you’re from. I’m from Western PA.

Al

Hey Al,

Why do you need “the bible” when the messiah himself already answered your question? 

After a long hiatus the caliber was re-introduced in the mid 90s and is still available today.

BOBR94

hokie said

   Good Morning, Al and WACA Members,,,,,

  It’s 9:17 am, 16 April 2015, Here in the Twilight Zone, I Hope Ya-all Got Your Taxes Taken Care of. The Sun Is Shining Brightly Here in The Zone, Looks Like It’s Gonna be a Wonderful Day.

  Yesssssss, There is a Great Vastness of Knowledge here at the WACA Forum. I’m Not going to Single Out any Member or Members, Over Others that Participate in the Discussion of Winchesters. I feel, All Members try to do their Best to answer Questions that are Posed to the WACA Forums. I Do, Respect, Those that are Doing Surveys, their Valued Opinions are a Great Asset to the WACA Members and Guests. But I Feel Their Valued Opinion, is Not the Final Word on a Subject. As anybody Should Do, (in No Matter What They Collect), You Should Always Keep an Open Mind About that Subject, and Accept Others Opinions, Because They Might Just Be Right. It is, You that has to Prove Your Point Unequivocally (you wouldn’t believe how long I had to play scrabble with that word), to Justify Your Opinion.

  It’s Great that you have That Book, Authored by BOBR94 to Reference your Favorite Model Winchester in that Time Frame that Intrigues You. Do You have the (Bible), “The Winchester Book” Authored by George ?  I Hope you Continue to Enjoy Collecting Winchesters, Obtain as Many Hard Copy’s of Reference Books and Written Articles about Winchester The Company and the Many Winchester Products they Produced. Don’t just Relay on the Internet to Much (if it’s on the internet, there is a chance it’s not true), there may be a Time, when everybody’s System Crashes, and you have the hard copy’s to fall back on.

  Well People, I have ran out of allotted time for this post. It is now 10:10 am, 16 April, 2015

 So Long From The Twilight Zone, Enjoy  your Day.

 hokie,

“I Would have rather seen the Industrial Revaluation, Than The Space Age”.  So Back to My Zone I Go.

Hokie,

I have “The Winchester Book” by George Madis, as well as “The Sight Book, and “Winchester Handbook”. All very good and informative books.  As a newer collector, I try to learn as much as I can from books as well as from long time collectors such as yourself, and all other WACA members.  That is why I’m grateful to be a part of this great Collectors Association.

Al