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                    <title>Zebulon on 1895 Winchester in 45/70?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Customer Service at WinchesterGuns.com should be able to help you. </p>
<p>FN Herstal has never catalogued a Model 1895 chambered for the 45-70 cartridge, whether branded as a Browning or Winchester product. </p>
<p>The photo showing a blued, engraved receiver is unusual, as well. </p>
<p>Could you measure and report the exact barrel.length with a cleaning rod from bolt face to muzzle? </p>
<p>Would you mind to post a closeup image of the barrel rollmark of the caliber. </p>
<p>The tang safety and "special steel" rollmark are consistent with Miroku built, Winchester branded rifles sold by FNH through its Browning Arms Company subsidiary, d/b/a Winchester Repeating Arms. </p>
<p>The odds strongly favor this being a one-off modified gun. If the caliber designation on the barrel has been altered, i would guess a .405 WCF barrel has been rebored to .458, assuming that is possible, and the barrel threads set back to allow rechambering to the shorter cartridge. A non-standard barrel length would be evidence of this. </p>
<p>Alternatively, MIroku has made round tapered 45-70 barrels for Model 1886 rifles, from time to time. Could this rifle have been rebarreled with one of those? </p>
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                    <title>Commissioner on 1895 Winchester in 45/70?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The bullets fit just fine.</p>
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                    <title>Commissioner on 1895 Winchester in 45/70?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>It must be the “Special Steel”?<img data-upload="1" data-width="3264" data-height="2448" title="IMG_3104.jpeg" alt="IMG_3104.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/commissioner/2026/06/IMG_3104.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3264" data-height="2448" title="IMG_3105.jpeg" alt="IMG_3105.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/commissioner/2026/06/IMG_3105.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3264" data-height="2448" title="IMG_3106.jpeg" alt="IMG_3106.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/commissioner/2026/06/IMG_3106.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3264" data-height="2448" title="IMG_3107.jpeg" alt="IMG_3107.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/commissioner/2026/06/IMG_3107.jpeg" /></p>
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                    <title>twobit on Model 1892 Trapper - Value based on caliber??</title>
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<p><strong>THREEDFLYER said </strong><br />
Michael, <br />
I just sent you a PM with the serial number......feel free to post any info you might dig up on this thread.<br />
Thanks for the help!<br />
Tom<br />
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<p>Thanks Tom.</p>
<p>I had not previously seen that specific rifle.  I added it into my spreadsheet and it is in a small group of other short barrel carbines in either 25-20 or 32 WCF caliber.  SN 859920 was sold at RIA back in May of 2023 as Lot 42 for $11,163.  <a href="https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/88/42/atf-exempted-winchester-model-1892-trappers-carbine" target="_blank">https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/88/42/atf-exempted-winchester-model-1892-trappers-carbine</a></p>
<p>SN 859943 was sold at RIA in August of 2024 as Lot 3032 for $12,925.  <a href="https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4092/3032/winchester-model-1892-saddle-ring-trappers-carbine" target="_blank">https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4092/3032/winchester-model-1892-saddle-ring-trappers-carbine</a></p>
<p>That should help give you some ballpark numbers baring the fact that yours is in significantly poorer condition.</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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                    <title>tim tomlinson on 1895 Winchester in 45/70?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Commissioner--That is MOST interesting!  Being 'Made in Japan' makes it a different animal than the original 1895's but still most interesting.  Why?  Because the listings of originals includes a couple supposedly made in that caliber.  The distance between the sidewalls of the receiver are too narrow for a .45-70 rim to fit, let alone to fit into the box magazine.  If Winchester made any back in the day, the receiver would necessitate a greater width to accomodate the caliber.   To my knowledge, none of the originals annotated in unusual, non-standard calibers have shown up.  I would surely like to see how Miroku (assuming they were the Japanese source of yours) accomplished the chambering.  Please follow up on this as it may fill in a few more blanks.  Tim</p>
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                    <title>steve004 on But they NEVER made them that way.  24 Inch SRC's!!!</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Michael - fascinating information.  Thanks (a huge amount) for sharing. </p>
<p>But:</p>
<p><strong>Now for the bad news.  The barrel has subsequently been cut down to 20 inches and a rifle style front sight installed in a dovetail!  AAARGH</strong></p>
<p>That is some seriously bad news!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>THREEDFLYER on Model 1892 Trapper - Value based on caliber??</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Michael, </p>
<p>I just sent you a PM with the serial number......feel free to post any info you might dig up on this thread.</p>
<p>Thanks for the help!</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 1895 Winchester in 45/70?</title>
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<p><strong>Commissioner said </strong><br />
Fellow: I have an 1895 Winchester in 45/70. It. Looks brand new. only Winchester markings and address,But it says made in Japan. It don’t say by who?It has a tang safety on it. It is engraved with a cheynabyl stock. Generally if the are made by Miroku they say so. It is a beautiful rifle, both the stock and forearm are finely checkered. Does anyone else have one? The Bluing is sort of a Matt blue, instead of highly polished. The barrel says “Special Steel” your reply’s are appreciated.<br />
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<p>Contact the Browning Arms Company.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Henry Mero on 1895 Winchester in 45/70?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p> A couple of pictures and a ser# would be really helpful</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 15:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>twobit on But they NEVER made them that way.  24 Inch SRC's!!!</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Well..... If you play this game long enough you just NEVER know what might pop up!!  I received an email yesterday from a gentleman in France who has what appears to be SN 2768 which in one of the 12 carbines manufactured with a 24 inch barrel!!  Needless to say I was beyond excited to see it.  When you start digging into the details of this order it is truly interesting.  First off the 12 rifles are identical and sequential in serial numbers. Also, the fact that the receivers were serialized on Sept 7, 1892 but by the ledger entry, all 12 of these receivers sat around for 5 months (Feb. 14, 1893) until they were assembled into this special order.  Pauline vouched for the engraving being factory original but did not have any sort of known design pattern name for it.  It is my belief that the pattern was created by whomever ordered the riffles and then executed by Winchester. </p>
<p>The style of the barrel address stamp also is very interesting when you dig into it.  When the 1892 was introduced round barrel examples had what I refer to as the Style 1C in my spreadsheet and was only used for about the first year of production.  Or so I thought.  This style has "crows feet" before and after the 2 lines of print.  The rifle in question does not have this style but has what I call the 1D style which only has a dash before and after the bottom line of print.  I then sorted my spread sheet by configuration, barrel shape, and then serial number.  Sure enough the round barrel sporting rifles used the 1C style well into 1893 (SN 15000 range) after these carbines were assembled.  BUT... When I looked at the SRC barrels the 1C style was discontinued prior to the end of 1892 (SN 6800 range).  Taht is an almost 8000 rifle difference between the time span for the usage of the barrel address styles.  Carbines assembled in early 1893 had the later 1D Style while the sporting rifles were still stamped with the 1C "crows feet" style.  Therefore, these 24 inch carbines were actually had specially made carbine barrels and not just repurposed rifle barrels.  </p>
<p>Now for the bad news.  The barrel has subsequently been cut down to 20 inches and a rifle style front sight installed in a dovetail!  AAARGH!!  The original "Fancy" wood can be seen in the butt stock.  There is not trace of the original "Gold Trims" as noted in the ledger.  I do really like the way the serial number is presented as if written on a scroll.  <img data-upload="1" data-width="2518" data-height="988" title="Screenshot-2026-06-05-at-10.41.17 AM.png" alt="Screenshot-2026-06-05-at-10.41.17 AM.png" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/Screenshot-2026-06-05-at-10.41.17 AM.png" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2518" data-height="1466" title="Screenshot-2026-06-05-at-10.42.21 AM.png" alt="Screenshot-2026-06-05-at-10.42.21 AM.png" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/Screenshot-2026-06-05-at-10.42.21 AM.png" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="IMG_5270.jpeg" alt="IMG_5270.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/IMG_5270.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="IMG_5273.jpeg" alt="IMG_5273.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/IMG_5273.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="4032" title="IMG_5282.jpeg" alt="IMG_5282.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/IMG_5282.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="4032" title="IMG_5284.jpeg" alt="IMG_5284.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/IMG_5284.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="4032" title="IMG_6101.jpg" alt="IMG_6101.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/IMG_6101.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="IMG_6103.jpg" alt="IMG_6103.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2026/06/IMG_6103.jpg" />I will continue to correspond with the owner and try to find a bit more of the history if knows anything about it.</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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                    <title>Commissioner on 1895 Winchester in 45/70?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Fellow: I have an 1895 Winchester in 45/70. It. Looks brand new. only Winchester markings and address,But it says made in Japan. It don’t say by who?It has a tang safety on it. It is engraved with a cheynabyl stock. Generally if the are made by Miroku they say so. It is a beautiful rifle, both the stock and forearm are finely checkered. Does anyone else have one? The Bluing is sort of a Matt blue, instead of highly polished. The barrel says “Special Steel” your reply’s are appreciated.</p>
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                    <title>Chuck on Finally found a 44-40</title>
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<strong>1873man said </strong><br />
Its similar but not the same.<br />
Bob<br />
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<p>Yes, but the Peeler family has been around since the late 1800's and the brand has changed along the way.  If you read the history you will see the original 7PL and similar markings.  The guy that has the dude/hunting ranch in Colorado is a great nephew of the family.  Maybe more than 1 great.  I have no idea how this will turn out. </p>
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                    <title>1873man on Finally found a 44-40</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Its similar but not the same.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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                    <title>Chuck on Finally found a 44-40</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>PM me and maybe I can put you intact with the owner of the Ranch in Colorado. I might still have is contact info when I was researching a shotgun that came from the Peeler collection.   The original Peeler ranch in Texas used a 7PL brand. 7 Peelers.</p>
<p>Here is a bad shot of the 1950's brand.  </p>
<p>Or just read this.  <a href="https://www.peelerranch.com/history/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.peelerranch.com/history/</a></p>
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                    <title>Tony Ford on Finally found a 44-40</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>This rifle might have been owned by the 7PL ranch out of Colorado. They now have land in Colorado, Texas, Arkansas, and Kansas. </p>
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