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                    <title>Bert H. on Value of a Cody Letter</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>Other than the special order Lyman No. 1 tang sight, it appears to be a standard "Fancy ELW" TD rifle.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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                    <title>antler1 on Value of a Cody Letter</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have recently purchased a model 1886 DLX extra light weight rifle in 45-70 caliber. I like the gun very much and realize some of its flaws but am asking members to evaluate it also and possibly point out some of its downfalls and also potential value. After some reviews, I will reveal as Paul Harvey said " And the rest of the story"<img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5708.JPG" alt="DSC5708.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5708.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5710.JPG" alt="DSC5710.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5710.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5711.JPG" alt="DSC5711.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5711.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5713.JPG" alt="DSC5713.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5713.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5717.JPG" alt="DSC5717.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5717.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5727.JPG" alt="DSC5727.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5727.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5730.JPG" alt="DSC5730.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5730.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5729.JPG" alt="DSC5729.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5729.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5733.JPG" alt="DSC5733.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5733.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5734.JPG" alt="DSC5734.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5734.JPG" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2464" data-height="1632" title="DSC5723.JPG" alt="DSC5723.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/antler1/2026/08/DSC5723.JPG" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2026 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Tang and cross-bolt safeties vs. traditional?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Unless I am missing something, regardless of which safety type a Model 94 has, the loaded rounds still need to be cycled through the action to empty the magazine.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2026 15:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I would never question your judgement; you've got the gun in your hands. </p>
<p>I do wonder whether there were Model 94 carbines serialized n the low 2.7m range that were assembled with machined rather than sintered metal receivers. Your receiver doesn't appear to have been black chromed - I don't think it's late enough -- but neither does it exhibit the flaking and mottling of Dulite on sintered steel.  </p>
<p>My understanding of the sintered metal process is it is fully capable of making very precise parts but (1) the initial equipment. investment is huge; (2) the cost of creating a die is great, to the point you need to be making.enormous quantities of a part to justify the cost of the die; (3) the assembly technique of fitting sintered parts is different. You have a bin of the same part before you. You take one and try it. If it is oversized or undersized, you don't fettle it but put it back and try another until one fits. This can be done much faster and by less experienced people than by a skilled fitter with stones and abrasive papers. With excellent results, with practice.</p>
<p>But there is a learning curve. It strikes me that quality of production in 1964 was more likely variable rather than consistently bad. </p>
<p>I have a late production Colt Trooper Mark III that is absolutely a credit to its maker. The lockwork is sintered and was assembled as above. I have also a 1955 Colt Three Fifty Seven, the Mark III's antecedent made the traditional way. The trigger stroke is different between the two - the later gun has coil springs and doesn't stack -- but both are of very high quality. I have owned earlier Mark III revolvers that were crude by comparison. </p>
<p>So, like Schrodinger's cat, perhaps the early post 63 Model 94 can exhibit more than one state, inside its box.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2026 14:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Gunsnfishin on Newly acquired 1873 </title>
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                    <title>steve004 on Newly acquired 1873 </title>
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong><br />
The gun is a early 38 caliber rifle and <em><strong>when they first made them they came standard with a shotgun butt</strong> </em>but some were ordered with rifle butt plates like yours. Later they switched the butt to a rifle butt like the rest of the rifles as standard. The gun has had the barrel cut short. The front sight is too close to the muzzle and there is no magazine band are the two items that gives it away and also the Cody letter tells us what the guns configuration was. The letter says its a rifle and does not say a barrel length so it is the standard length for a rifle which is 24".  Here is your picture of the end of the barrel and I have posted another picture what it should look like. <br />
The gun looks like nice honest gun except for the cut barrel. It is now a shooter grade gun.<br />
Bob</p>
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<p>I had no idea this was the case.  Very interesting.  Amazing this fact has eluded me all these years (decades) (scores of years) <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Embarassed" alt="Embarassed" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-embarassed.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2026 14:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on Newly acquired 1873 </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Post pictures of the complete barrel from all sides and what the letter says. </p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2026 13:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on Set trigger 1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That is a set trigger but the little adjustment screw is broken off.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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                    <title>steve004 on Tang and cross-bolt safeties vs. traditional?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I know the general consensus is for traditional hammer-cock safety vs. the newer types. I've ready many opinions and watched several videos and the comments are overwhelmingly negative.  I have almost never seen positive comments.  </p>
<p>While I favor the vintage and traditional, I do see one major safety advantage:  the unloading of the rifle.  There is no way to unload the magazine of a traditional lever action rifle other than cycling each round through the action - and each time this occurs, the rifle is in full readiness to discharge.  That is, the hammer is fully cocked and ready to fire through each cycle.  There is great need to keep the rifle pointed in a safe direction when doing this. </p>
<p>This unloading process often carries some nuisance.  You can't catch the cartridges as they're ejected.  You typically eject them on to the ground, where they don't fall all together in a neat little pile.  Sometimes that ground you are ejecting them into is snow.  Sometimes deep snow.  </p>
<p>I've seen examples where hunters wait until they return to their car to do the unloading. They open their car door and eject them on to the car seat (or at least try to).  When I've observed this, I've noted more concentration on getting the right angle for the cartridges to go where they want them to go vs. where they have the muzzle pointed.  Hence, I can see great merit in a crossbolt of tang safety.</p>
<p>Thoughts, opinions, experiences?</p>
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                    <title>steve004 on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
I like the IER setup. Are you sure it was made in 64? The finish on the receiver doesn't look like black chrome. <br />
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<p>Bill -</p>
<p>The scope is a Leupold long eye relief scope.  It is very fast with sight acquisition.  One of the things I like about it is the shooter can simultaneously see through the scope while seeing around the scope.  This of course helps with sight acquisition and maintaining it (e.g. a running animal).</p>
<p>I'm going to cut against the grain again and note that I have had post-64 '94 carbines made in the 1970's (e.g. .44 magnum carbines) - and the receiver finish was miserable compared to this one.  My carbine is in the low 2,700,000 range.</p>
<p>Bert provides some nice details in this thread:</p>
<p><a href="https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/late-1963-vs-1964-quality-of-winchester-94s/" target="_blank">https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/late-1963-vs-1964-quality-of-winchester-94s/</a></p>
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                    <title>Gunsnfishin on Newly acquired 1873 </title>
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<p><strong><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_8381.jpeg" alt="IMG_8381.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/gunsnfishin/2026/08/IMG_8381.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_8380.jpeg" alt="IMG_8380.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/gunsnfishin/2026/08/IMG_8380.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_8380-1.jpeg" alt="IMG_8380-1.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/gunsnfishin/2026/08/IMG_8380-1.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_8381-1.jpeg" alt="IMG_8381-1.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/gunsnfishin/2026/08/IMG_8381-1.jpeg" />1873man said </strong><br />
They do have a taper but the tolerances are fairly wide but its could be a outside chance it would show what happened. Just like the barrel diameter tolerance the front sight placement has a tolerance. I've been seeing .725" to .790" from the muzzle to the closest cut at the bottom of the dovetail for 2nd and 3rd models. I checked a few first models and a 66 and they are more, .8" plus.  My email is below my picture. <br />
Bob<br />
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<p>So I recieved the 1873 I had posted about before with the 18” barrel- Cody says it was shipped with 44 other rifles all having 26” barrels and set triggers - I posted pics in other post of trigger as it doesn’t look like set trigger to me - here’s measurements I have - length 18 1/8 - muzzle to sight - .76 - muzzle to magazine band 3.95- muzzle diameter octagon - .78- forearm 8 1/2” - second model rifle - could Cody be wrong ?</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Selling Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>May I speak bluntly?</p>
<p>I don't know why you are concerned about shipping.  Typically, buyers pay shipping. A rifle is not hard to ship. Use USPS Ground Advantage. Get a commercial shipping kit from Cambridge Packaging, Lima, Ohio. Charge the buyer for it. </p>
<p>You aren't going to sell the rifle for what you want without good photography. If you can't post photos here, you can't post them on Gunbroker. </p>
<p>If the rifle is in the condition you say, you should be able to get a thousand for it plus shipping but only if people can see and agree. </p>
<p>I follow the market on pre64 Featherweights pretty closely. The majority of them were made in 30/06 and that is not a detriment. The Featherweight sells better than the Standard these days, in the common calibers. People still like the '06 and, unlike the barn burners, don't worry about a washed out bore.in a used rifle. </p>
<p>I just bought a 1960 Featherweight 30/06 on Gunbroker. You can look it over anrd compare yours. Item # 1187977819. It hammered fot $981 after 24 bids. By the time the fees and taxes were added in, the tab was $1153.</p>
<p>Note that it has a newish Pachmayr Whiteline  pad, so don't let anybody low rate your gun if yours has one. An '06 Featherweight with full house 180 grain hunting ammunition will.kill anything that walks in America if you can shoot straight. It will also give most hunters a raging flinch without a pad. </p>
<p>Parting it out and selling it piece by piece is a hell of a lot of work. As well as destroying a nice gun. I have never intentionally done it but a parts dealer was high bidder on a my 1951 standard grade 270 with Stith Streamline mount and Weaver K3. It barely made a thousand because it was a 75% gun. I owned and hunted with the gun for a Decade but lost money when you add in the scope and mount I bought separately. Lesson learned; Don't sell a good scope with an average rifle. Doesn't help. </p>
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                    <title>Gunsnfishin on Set trigger 1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Not real familiar with set triggers - Cody letter says it has one but doesn’t look like any pics I have seen <img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_8376.jpeg" alt="IMG_8376.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/gunsnfishin/2026/08/IMG_8376.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_8375.jpeg" alt="IMG_8375.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/gunsnfishin/2026/08/IMG_8375.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_8374.jpeg" alt="IMG_8374.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/gunsnfishin/2026/08/IMG_8374.jpeg" /></p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The sellers GB auction reminds me of this movie scene.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I like the IER setup. Are you sure it was made in 64? The finish on the receiver doesn't look like black chrome. </p>
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