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Here is a standard saddle ring carbine SN 922735 in 32WS with a fluted comb and slick steel buttplate.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=253893198
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
1892Takedown said
Here is a standard saddle ring carbine SN 922735 in 32WS with a fluted comb and slick steel buttplate.http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=253893198
Chris,
It is standard with the exception of the shotgun butt. It went through the PR in late 1920.
Thanks for posting it.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Rick Hill said
Not sure if this clarifies anything but here is a list of model 1894/’94 special order carbines currently in my collection that have the fluted, light weight stocks:Model 1894 Special Order, Short Takedown Rifle Serial no. 750896. .25-35 caliber, manufactured in 1914. 18” round barrel w/ integral ramp front sight & orig. #44A ladder rear sight. Factory short (13” LOP) lightweight Whelen style walnut stocks with nice tiger-striped figure. 8 3/8” fore-end. Hard rubber butt plate. Factory sling eyes. 90+% o/a condition with flaked rcvr.
Model 1894 Special Order Light Weight Eastern Carbine serial no. 900381. .38-55 caliber. Manufactured in 1920 Half magazine w/ 2 leaf #34C Platinum Lined Express rear & Marble’s Special Base, Flexible Joint rear tang sight. Light weight model w/ Whelen style stock. 94+% original bright blue. Exc. wood w/ minor blemishes
Model ’94 Special Order "Baby" Saddle Ring Carbine serial no. 958215. .30 W.C.F. caliber. Manufactured in 1923. 16” bbl., 1/2 length mag. w/ #44 ladder type rear & Marbles gold bead front sights. Whelen lightweight style plain stock w/ 1” short (13 ½” LOP) specs. Fore-end is 8 1/8”. Hard rubber butt plate.
Model ’94 Special Order Saddle Ring Carbine serial no.971192. 32 W.S. caliber. Manufactured in 1924. #44A ladder type rear sight. 3/4 length mag. Whelen style plain pistol grip stock w/ smooth steel butt plate. Factory sling eyes. Traces blue in protected areas only. Very good wood & bright bore.
Model ‘94 Special Order Light Weight Eastern Carbine serial no.1054665. 30 W.C.F. caliber. Manufactured in 1929. Win. 44A ladder rear sight. Whelen style stock. 2/3 mag. w/ hard rubber butt. About 96% condition O/A.
Rick Hill
Rick,
Serial 750896 went through the PR in the spring of 1915.
Serial 900381… what type of butt plate does it have?
Thanks for posting the information,
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
mrcvs said
I know of a carbine, serial 925,9XX which has a fluted stock, 1/2 magazine, and is in .32 Special. It has a rubber recoil pad that says Winchester on it that, according to the Madis book, came out about 1922. This carbine dates to 1923.
Actually, it dates to late 1920. I suspect that the rubber recoil pad was installed after the fact. Can you provide the complete serial number for my survey?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert:
Small sized hard rubber butt plate.
Rick
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It is standard with the exception of the shotgun butt
Your right Bert, it is a standard carbine with the exception of the shotgun butt. I posted this carbine because I was beginning to think that the reduced magazine tube length had a lot to do with the occurrence of the fluted buttstock.
From what I gather so far, it would be safe to say that you may find the fluted comb on special order rifles or carbines, all of which will have the shotgun style buttstock, having a hard rubber, smooth steel, or serrated steel buttplates, and in most cases will have additional special order features, the most common being the reduced magazine tube length. It appears that most of the examples I have viewed, chronologically the hard rubber buttplate is followed by the smooth steel buttplate, and latest variation being the serrrated steel buttplate.
I would agree that there are no standard carbine or rifle buttstocks having a carbine style buttplate or a crescent rifle buttplate and having fluted combs. Therfore, I would anticipate finding fluted comb on only buttstocks having one of the three styles shotgun style buttplates mentioned above.
To get back to one of our original questions, how early do fluted buttstocks occur in the 1892 or 1894 rifles/carbines? I saw where Rick’s rifle went through the polishing room in 1915. Do you have the polishing room dates for the first couple of 1892 & 1894 carbines listed in the earlier post in the 600k serial ranges? Are there others that occur as early or earlier than these?
Thanks
Chris
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"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
1892Takedown said
It is standard with the exception of the shotgun butt
To get back to one of our original questions, how early do fluted buttstocks occur in the 1892 or 1894 rifles/carbines? I saw where Rick’s rifle went through the polishing room in 1915. Do you have the polishing room dates for the first couple of 1892 & 1894 carbines listed in the earlier post in the 600k serial ranges? Are there others that occur as early or earlier than these?
Thanks
Chris
Chris,
Thus far the earliest Model 1894 I have recorded with a fluted comb is 662627, April 1914. Of the (26) I have recorded thus far, all but four were manufactured in 1919 or later. Shotgun butts and short magazines are the rule of thumb so far. Hard rubber butt plates are also predominant.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Guy thhat I bought this gun from called me up yesterday and said he had found something for me. I went to see him and he had the what he said was the original sling that had been with the gun as far as he knew. I assume its an early Winchester sling. Any thoughts from those of you who have one. Is it original?
Mike
Mike, it looks good! The hooks are correct and that is the type sling they offered. I have a few on 94s and one on a early 64 and 2 on 86s a 33 and a ELW 45-70
Clark
I asked the guy what he wanted for it and he said not to worry about it. I feel bad and am going to give him somethin for it. Any of you know what these run for? I didn’t expect this in the deal so I want square up.
Mike
Mike:
A $100 would certainly be a good price and fair for both parties in my humble opinion.
Rick
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NRA Life Member
Rick Hill said
Mike:A $100 would certainly be a good price and fair for both parties in my humble opinion.
Rick
I agree… The hooks alone are worth that much.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
mikec said
I asked the guy what he wanted for it and he said not to worry about it. I feel bad and am going to give him somethin for it. Any of you know what these run for? I didn’t expect this in the deal so I want square up.
Mike
Mike,
Somehow in all of this, I must have missed what caliber your new acquired Model 1894 Ex. Lightweight TD Rifle is?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I have a 1894 .32-40 Carbine with full mag and shotgun butt with rubber butt plate that has a fluted stock. I have always felt was "right" when looking at wood fit, varnish and overall condition…it has an early serial number as related to this subject, #512276.
FT44
44flattop said
I have a 1894 .32-40 Carbine with full mag and shotgun butt with rubber butt plate that has a fluted stock. I have always felt was "right" when looking at wood fit, varnish and overall condition…it has an early serial number as related to this subject, #512276.
FT44
Can you post a few pictures of it for us? Is it a SRC?
The serial number indicates that it is a 1911 vintage receiver frame.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Yep, its a SRC, just a nice old gun. I bought it several years ago because of the shotgun butt, did not think much about the flute. I’ll try to get a few pics and get them posted.
FT44
Just to give everyone an update, I have (26) Model 1894/94 serial numbers recorded in the survey thus far, (7) of which are rifles.
If anyone would like a copy of what I have compiled thus far, please send me an email. You will need to have Microsoft Office 2007 on your PC to be able to open and read the Excel spreadsheet.
Please keep looking for more specimens and post the information (or auction link), or forward it to me. I can say this much so far… my perception of when the fluted comb butt stocks were first introduced has shifted to the left by a good number of years!
Thanks to everyone who has contributed thus far 🙂
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Attaching a few pics of my 1894 SRC with the fluted comb SGB stock (#512276). I have taken the buttstock off and examined it, it appears to be the original fit wood to me.
FT44
Another one to add to the survey that my brother has in his collection:
1894: SN 753156; Caliber: 32 WS; Round 22 inch barrel (not the lightweight style barrel with the front sight ramp; 2/3 magazine; shotgun butt with hard rubber buttplate and fluted comb.
Chris
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"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
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