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oakridge said
Not to confuse matters, but did most 94’s have the fluted comb buttstock after the intoduction of the 55’s? I have a 94 src made in 1929 that does NOT have a fluted comb.
No they do not. Based on what I have seen (and recorded in my survey), only the special order Model 94s were equipped with a fluted comb butt stock. I have found a number of Carbines with shorter than standard magazine tubes that have a fluted comb and a serrated steel butt plate (like those found on the Model 55). Your SRC is normal.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I was just looking at Rare Winchesters.com and noticed that they have a carbine s/n 897060. It has the fluted stock and says that it is verified by assembly numbers. That would definitely support being earlier than 1924. Just food for thought. Rob could put his hands on that gun I guess.
Mike
mikec said
I was just looking at Rare Winchesters.com and noticed that they have a carbine s/n 897060. It has the fluted stock and says that it is verified by assembly numbers. That would definitely support being earlier than 1924. Just food for thought. Rob could put his hands on that gun I guess.Mike
Mike,
Per the PR records it is a 1920 vintage gun, and it is a special order gun. As I mentioned in a previous post, I have run into a number of special order Carbines made in the early 1920s that have a fluted comb.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
mikec said
I was just looking at Rare Winchesters.com and noticed that they have a carbine s/n 897060. It has the fluted stock and says that it is verified by assembly numbers. That would definitely support being earlier than 1924. Just food for thought. Rob could put his hands on that gun I guess.Mike
Mike.
I have 2 94 carbines with the flutes, 1 #884XXX and 1 #888XXX I also had a 92 with them.
Clark
PS and have seen others
Hello Clark,
Both of your fluted comb Carbines were serialized in the year 1919. Are they standard SRCs, or do either one of them have a shorter than standard magazine tube or some other special order feature?
This is starting to get real interesting and possibly a new addition to my Model 1894 survey.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
So I guess since they offered it for the cabines then it could have been ordered for the rifles as well? Seems like it would be possible.
Mike
Mike, the 92 I had was a rifle, and I have seen other 94 and 92 rifles with them.
Also that 94 of yours looks A OK to me! I’ll take it off your hands if you don’t want it!
Bert, 1 has a1/2 and other 2/3 mag
Clark
Clark,
Thanks… that fact is establishing a pattern that I had previously noticed. By chance does either (or both) have a serrated steel shotgun butt plate (BP), or a hard rubber BP?
I have decided to start a new survey page… titled "Fluted Combs".
Anyone who would like to contribute please do so by commenting in this topic string, or send me a PM. I would like the serial number and the configuration of the gun. I am of the opinion (at this time) that Winchester used fluted comb butt stocks on special order guns as a rule of thumb. It will be interesting to see if a specific time frame can be established for when the flute comb was first introduced.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
CJ57 said
Bert, the 1/2 mag has the steel and the 2/3 the HR
Clark,
Thanks… I suspected as much.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Ive gone through my 92’s and 94’s and the ones I had photos for that Ive sold and found the following with fluted buttstock combs:
1892 SRC #795269, 32-20, button mag, hard rubber buttplate
1892 Eastern Carbine #667015 38-40, button mag, hard rubber buttplate
1894 SRC, #662627, 32WS, full mag, straight grip "I"style checkered, checkered trigger, hard rubber buttplate
1894 SRC, #679078, Caliber??, 2/3 mag, slick steel buttplate
1894 Rifle, #888199, 32WS, 2/3 mag, slick steel buttplate
1894 SRC, #927638, Caliber??, 2/3 mag, hard rubber buttplate
1894 SRC, #987499, Caliber??, 2/3 mag, hard rubber buttplate
Also, the 2/3 or button magazine does not appear to be the determining factor because I have or have owned just as many carbines with these types of special order features in the higher serial number ranges that have the standard carbine buttstock instead of the fluted buttstock.
Just food for thought
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"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
Bert H Wrote:
I have decided to start a new survey page… titled "Fluted Combs"
I will add the same to the Model 1892 survey.
Chris,
Can you please send me any photos you have of SN 667015? I did not have this rifle in my survey. I have the other 1892.
Thanks
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
This 92 is a little late but might be of some interest. #945,7XX /32-20 /half mag/TD/
serrated butt/
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/John_Brennan/92winchester002.jpg
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/John_Brennan/92winchester001.jpg
An Earlier 92 TD/32-20/Half mag/#755,3xx made a few years ealier. Completely different style of stock with same configuration as the other one I posted.
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/John_Brennan/92TD005.jpg
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/John_Brennan/92TD006.jpg
I know of a carbine, serial 925,9XX which has a fluted stock, 1/2 magazine, and is in .32 Special. It has a rubber recoil pad that says Winchester on it that, according to the Madis book, came out about 1922. This carbine dates to 1923.
Not sure if this clarifies anything but here is a list of model 1894/’94 special order carbines currently in my collection that have the fluted, light weight stocks:
Model 1894 Special Order, Short Takedown Rifle Serial no. 750896. .25-35 caliber, manufactured in 1914. 18” round barrel w/ integral ramp front sight & orig. #44A ladder rear sight. Factory short (13” LOP) lightweight Whelen style walnut stocks with nice tiger-striped figure. 8 3/8” fore-end. Hard rubber butt plate. Factory sling eyes. 90+% o/a condition with flaked rcvr.
Model 1894 Special Order Light Weight Eastern Carbine serial no. 900381. .38-55 caliber. Manufactured in 1920 Half magazine w/ 2 leaf #34C Platinum Lined Express rear & Marble’s Special Base, Flexible Joint rear tang sight. Light weight model w/ Whelen style stock. 94+% original bright blue. Exc. wood w/ minor blemishes
Model ’94 Special Order "Baby" Saddle Ring Carbine serial no. 958215. .30 W.C.F. caliber. Manufactured in 1923. 16” bbl., 1/2 length mag. w/ #44 ladder type rear & Marbles gold bead front sights. Whelen lightweight style plain stock w/ 1” short (13 ½” LOP) specs. Fore-end is 8 1/8”. Hard rubber butt plate.
Model ’94 Special Order Saddle Ring Carbine serial no.971192. 32 W.S. caliber. Manufactured in 1924. #44A ladder type rear sight. 3/4 length mag. Whelen style plain pistol grip stock w/ smooth steel butt plate. Factory sling eyes. Traces blue in protected areas only. Very good wood & bright bore.
Model ‘94 Special Order Light Weight Eastern Carbine serial no.1054665. 30 W.C.F. caliber. Manufactured in 1929. Win. 44A ladder rear sight. Whelen style stock. 2/3 mag. w/ hard rubber butt. About 96% condition O/A.
Rick Hill
WACA Life Benefactor Member
NRA Life Member
The first gun listed is obviously not a "carbine" but a highly optioned "short rifle".
Sorry about that but can anyone else come up with a fluted comb rifle?
Rick
WACA Life Benefactor Member
NRA Life Member
Rick,
Not sure if you saw my post above but I had one SN 888199– a 32 WS with round 26 inch barrel, 2/3 magazine, fluted comb, with a slick steel shotgun buttplate (same as the serrated style but without the serrations), and Smokeless 32WS rear sight.
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
Found records for a few more rifles and carbines I recently sold that had fluted combs:
1894 Eastern Carbine, #1056109, 30 WCF, 2/3 magazine, steel serrated buttstock, Marble gold bead front sight and Winchester three leaf rear sight
1894 Rifle, #924809, 30 WCF, takedown, round barrel, 1/2 magazine, lyman ivory bead front sight, winchester flat top rear sight, slick steel shotgun buttplate. Rifle was presented to a Captain William E. Gee, Bear Mountain Police in 1922.
I posted a photo of the rifle below
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
I hope you fellows are seeing the pattern here… either a special order "Short" rifle, or a special order Carbine with a less than full length magazine. No confirmed standard Carbines or Rifles with a fluted comb stock… yet.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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