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Just picked this up today. Made in 1920. Reciever doesn’t have much color but barrel retains good blue and gun is extremely solid. 22" barrel, full length mag, carbine rubber butt plate with Winchester logo, factory sling mounts, Lyman no.5, and Takedown. Just wanted to share. Took a little better pics today.
Forearm is 8 3/8" just for informational purposes.
Nice . . to bad it isn’t .38-55 …. but that is just my opinion of what I’d want in a ’94.
Looks like a nice Extra Lightweight to me. One of those in .38-55 would totally wind my clock, too. 🙂
The problem with waiting for a rifle like that in 38-55 would be passing up something like that and a 38-55 may never show up so you miss out on both. I would buy the one I found and then if the 38-55 shows up, you could up-grade. Just my 2 cents worth.
Paul
I posted what I hope are some better pics. What constitutes an Extra Lightweight rifle? What characteristics?
Mike
The lightweight rifles will have a rapid taper barrel and a crowned muzzle.
They could be 24 or 26". 22" barrels on lightweight rifles was an additional extra cost item. The diameter of these rifle barrels should be 9/16". The same as a carbine. There are some other things also but the barrel is the most noticable feature.
Mike,
I am interested in knowing what the serial number actually is. You say the DOM is 1920, but the fluted comb butt stock is telling it is at least 4-years later than that.
For what it is worth, Winchester never catalogued a "Lightweight" Model 1894. They are referred to as an "Extra Lightweight". The front sight ramp on the barrel is indicative of an Extra Lightweight.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
The serial is 879,413. The muzzle is not crowned. I don’t know that much about the short rifles so I would love to know anything I can about a lightweight.
Mike
I love that configuration even with the wrong butt. Extra Lightweight with a full length mag almost seems like an oxymoron. I wonder how much weight the TD assembley and flange add to a gun.
Wrong butt? Was this not offered for a gun in this time frame. Believe me, I’ll take all the education I can get. 
MIke:
The s/n puts the date at 1918. If the face of the muzzle is flat across, then it is not a lightweight ( extra lightweight ), whichever term you prefer. If that is the case, you just have a short rifle.
The remark about the flutted comb does bring up some question. Maybe someone replaced the butt stock at a later time.
Paul
94shorties said
MIke:
The s/n puts the date at 1918. If the face of the muzzle is flat across, then it is not a lightweight ( extra lightweight ), whichever term you prefer. If that is the case, you just have a short rifle.Paul
Hi Paul, I’ve got two that letter as Extra Lightweight that are not crowned. The muzzle diameters are 9/16". I look for the small integral ramp.
Dave:
If that is the case, then it means R. Renneberg was wrong or I miss read the information in his book. It is probably my mistake so I will go back and check sometime today. Since I am not into lightweights that much, wouldn’t it make sense that they also had shorter magazines?
That’s the name of the game, learn something new every day.
Paul
That fluted buttstock was the kind used on the Model 53, which came out in 1924. Whether it was used on the Model 55, someone else will need to answer that, but both models came out in 1924. However, the Model 53 had a steel buttplate. This one has a rubber one.
Hi Paul, That’s why we like 1894’s. The configurations are endless. Alot of things don’t make sense to me. Maybe there’s a difference between an extra lightweight gun, and a gun with an extra lightweight bbl. You see LWT 86’s with big holes under the buttplate. I’ve had standard 1894’s with a hole under the buttplate that I’ve read was to lighten them. Neither of my 94 LWT’s has the hole.
Another mystery. Having large holes in the butt stock would shift the weight forward toward the barrel. This seems to me as going the wrong way since the extra weight of the butt stock is against your sholder, you would not really notice it but, if the weight is toward the barrel, then that is more weight to support while shooting the rifle.
Paul
Win38-55
Yes, the model 55 had the flutted comb as well. My model 55, s/n 3524 has the flutted comb as well as the steel serrated butt plate.
Paul
mikec said
Wrong butt? Was this not offered for a gun in this time frame. Believe me, I’ll take all the education I can get.
The flutes on the comb are commonly refered to as "Whelen flutes" as it’s said Col. Whelen designed the stock. I think they came out with the Model 55 in 1924. I’m just taking from Rennebergs book. P.86 he says around this ser# range [1,100,000] to about 1,300,000 will be found some 94 buttstocks with fluted combs. I’ve had some, with and without the serrated Model 55 type buttplate.
94shorties said
Win38-55
Yes, the model 55 had the flutted comb as well. My model 55, s/n 3524 has the flutted comb as well as the steel serrated butt plate.Paul
Paul,
What caliber is your Model 55, and is it a standard rifle? I have an on going research survey in progress on the Models 55 and 64. Also, have you checked the barrel date? It could be either a "25" or "26".
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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