twobit said

cj57 said
https://www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/101787118/the-pinnacle-trapper-outstanding-original-and
Here’s a very nice trapper that sold last week, hammered at 65k
  

So this is a pretty much perfect  example of how trying to establish the "value" of a rifle is REALLY tricky!!  The $65,000 "Pinnacle Trapper" at Poulin apparently was only worth $32,313 when it sold this past December at RIA!!!  Now THAT is some kind of inflation!!  These rifles have no real set in stone value.  The value is purely driven by how much one or two guys want it and whatever satisfaction they derive from that ownership.  https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4096/1009/winchester-model-92-saddle-ring-trappers-carbine
Michael
  

What do you think the OPs carbine is really worth?

Also, what it brings in a few weeks may not even reflect true value in that a bidding war might ensue and then if resold not too much later, without a bidding war, it could bring considerably less.

Bert H. said

twobit said

twobit said
Within the first 288,000 Model 1892's manufactured there were 5,387 short barreled carbine produced.  Of those the 16 inch is the most common at 2,495 then the 15 inch at 1,713 and then the 14 inch at 958 examples.  17, 18, and 12 inch examples start to get into hen's teeth range. Beyond 288,000 the disparity between 16 and 14 inch configurations decrease.  I have sampled 154 additional 16 inch examples compared to 128 additional 14 inch examples. Condition being equal then rarity will drive the price.  
Michael
  

Bert,
That is not what my data shows.  Between the ledger data and the additional "population" information the 16 inch option is more popular/common.
Michael
  

Thanks for the correction.  Your survey is invaluable as it quantifies the potential production numbers.
Bert
  

Thanks.  SO glad that I haven't been wasting time over all these years!! 

twobit said

twobit said
Within the first 288,000 Model 1892's manufactured there were 5,387 short barreled carbine produced.  Of those the 16 inch is the most common at 2,495 then the 15 inch at 1,713 and then the 14 inch at 958 examples.  17, 18, and 12 inch examples start to get into hen's teeth range. Beyond 288,000 the disparity between 16 and 14 inch configurations decrease.  I have sampled 154 additional 16 inch examples compared to 128 additional 14 inch examples. Condition being equal then rarity will drive the price.  
Michael
  

Bert,
That is not what my data shows.  Between the ledger data and the additional "population" information the 16 inch option is more popular/common.
Michael
  

Thanks for the correction.  Your survey is invaluable as it quantifies the potential production numbers.

Bert

twobit said
Within the first 288,000 Model 1892's manufactured there were 5,387 short barreled carbine produced.  Of those the 16 inch is the most common at 2,495 then the 15 inch at 1,713 and then the 14 inch at 958 examples.  17, 18, and 12 inch examples start to get into hen's teeth range. Beyond 288,000 the disparity between 16 and 14 inch configurations decrease.  I have sampled 154 additional 16 inch examples compared to 128 additional 14 inch examples. Condition being equal then rarity will drive the price.  
Michael
  

Bert,

That is not what my data shows.  Between the ledger data and the additional "population" information the 16 inch option is more popular/common.

Michael

Henry Mero said
I can't speak on the '92's, but a 14", '94 trapper is way more valuable than a 16", all things being equal.
  

I believe that is because most Model '94 Trappers were 15", and the total number of 16" versus 14" is a 4:1 ratio.  the following table is derived from my ongoing research survey and it documents the current totals for each barrel length.

Bert

tionesta1 said
The $65,000 carbine is a 14", whereas the GunAuction carbine is 16".  Is 14" more valuable than 16", with equal condition?
  

Based on the total production numbers, No, it is not (in my opinion).  The 14" length was essentially the standard "Trapper" length for the Model 1892.  A 16" Model 1892 would have been a special order.  Further, when you take into consideration that the 16" gun is completely free of any legal hinderances (the NFA), it is more desirable.

Bert

cj57 said

twobit said

cj57 said
https://www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/101787118/the-pinnacle-trapper-outstanding-original-and
Here’s a very nice trapper that sold last week, hammered at 65k
  

So this is a pretty much perfect  example of how trying to establish the "value" of a rifle is REALLY tricky!!  The $65,000 "Pinnacle Trapper" at Poulin apparently was only worth $32,313 when it sold this past December at RIA!!!  Now THAT is some kind of inflation!!  These rifles have no real set in stone value.  The value is purely driven by how much one or two guys want it and whatever satisfaction they derive from that ownership.  https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4096/1009/winchester-model-92-saddle-ring-trappers-carbine
Michael
  

This is why the OP made the right decision on putting it up for auction. I think he will get the best value for his beautiful Trapper rather than putting it on here for a fixed price, as he didn't know it's value and may have short changed himself. 
  

I'm in total agreement!

Tony

twobit said

cj57 said
https://www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/101787118/the-pinnacle-trapper-outstanding-original-and
Here’s a very nice trapper that sold last week, hammered at 65k
  

So this is a pretty much perfect  example of how trying to establish the "value" of a rifle is REALLY tricky!!  The $65,000 "Pinnacle Trapper" at Poulin apparently was only worth $32,313 when it sold this past December at RIA!!!  Now THAT is some kind of inflation!!  These rifles have no real set in stone value.  The value is purely driven by how much one or two guys want it and whatever satisfaction they derive from that ownership.  https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4096/1009/winchester-model-92-saddle-ring-trappers-carbine
Michael
  

This is why the OP made the right decision on putting it up for auction. I think he will get the best value for his beautiful Trapper rather than putting it on here for a fixed price, as he didn't know it's value and may have short changed himself. 

cj57 said
https://www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/101787118/the-pinnacle-trapper-outstanding-original-and
Here’s a very nice trapper that sold last week, hammered at 65k
  

So this is a pretty much perfect  example of how trying to establish the "value" of a rifle is REALLY tricky!!  The $65,000 "Pinnacle Trapper" at Poulin apparently was only worth $32,313 when it sold this past December at RIA!!!  Now THAT is some kind of inflation!!  These rifles have no real set in stone value.  The value is purely driven by how much one or two guys want it and whatever satisfaction they derive from that ownership.  https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4096/1009/winchester-model-92-saddle-ring-trappers-carbine

Michael

Michael

cj57 said
https://www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/101787118/the-pinnacle-trapper-outstanding-original-and
Here’s a very nice trapper that sold last week, hammered at 65k
  

Strewth. 

And that $65,000 USD is without the juice....

Tedk said
Is the rear sight correct on the ‘Pinnacle Trapper’?
  

It could be.  That is a late production Carbine.