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                    <title>Brodg88 on 1864 New Haven Arms Henry Rifle, Serial No. 7516 — Seeking Collector Input</title>
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<p class="isSelectedEnd">I’m looking for informed collector feedback on an original brass-frame New Haven Arms Henry rifle, serial no. <strong>7516</strong>, believed to be 1864 production. This was a gift to me in a set of a few other guns from a friend whose father was a former collector and she wanted me to have them. I don't know how to begin trying to "authenticate" it but here's where I am so far.</p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd">1. The rifle has matching serial numbers on the top barrel flat, lower tang under the stock, stock inlet, and inside buttplate. There's an "&#038;" on the tang but no other markings I can find.</p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd">2. As far as google can help me tell, it retains late-production Henry features including the Type II brass frame, pointed buttplate, sling swivel and barrel loop, correct-style folding ladder rear sight marked 1–8 with center notch and elevator stop screw, and the large two-line New Haven Arms barrel address (Pictured).</p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd">3. The stock is crack-free with very tight wood-to-metal fit and retains the original Henry “bump” below the left-side sling swivel area. Is that even possible with a gun that is dated to be this old? The brass frame is very clean with attractive aged patina, tight sideplate fit, and no major dents or damage. Basically, it seems very clean and again, I don't know if that's reasonable for something dated back to the 1860s</p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd">4.The barrel/magazine has smooth aged patina with crisp markings. but there is no Bluing left on it.  Bore shows clear rifling with minor pitting. The cleaning rod is present in the buttstock. An old leather sling with hook-style attachments is present, though the adjuster is marked “Pat. Jan. 12, 1897,” so I’m treating the sling as a later accessory.</p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd">5. Per my little Winchester handbook, The serial number falls within the 7000–8000 range. so 1864 manufacture?</p>
<p>I would appreciate any knowledgeable input on originality, configuration, cleaning rod/sight correctness, etc. Photos available for review.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 15:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Henry, "only" your opinion on the matter of Winchester commemoratives is going to get printed out and pinned on my office wall. Anyone interested in the genre would be wise to do the same. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 14:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Tony, what do you think about the original subject rifles condition and configuration. Original? </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 14:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As I read over these posts again, I have to agree with these comments and join in on the fact that it's more than I'd be willing to spend on it, and yes it seems these mid level Winchesters are getting pricier!</p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 13:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Henry Mero on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Most Winchester Commemoratives have the most value , #1- in the original pristine box and sleeve, "unopened" , from there , #2- opened unfired pristine no marks/corrosion with a nice box and paperwork, then #3-  some handling wear and a well worn box. Once they've been fired, other than the factory, it changes the whole ball game as far as collectability and value, (to a serious Commemorative collector). Then there are a lot of extenuating factors involved, eg; which Commemorative We are speaking of. I would be willing to bet none of the 10 only R.C.M.P. presentation guns have been fired because of the value, now $30,000-$40,000.00 or more, but all 32 of the R.C.M.P. #MPX#'rd guns have been fired and still bring a huge price. A regular R.C.M.P. , in the box, in average condition brings about $2500+/- unfired and about $1200+/-, used, a big difference. A complete pridtine , Chief Crazy Horse, with matching stamps,  knife, etc. would bring a very substantial $ value, $3500 - $4000, while the one being "used is a $1200 -$1500 gun. So 'ya , large difference. Pretty much the same can be said for the rest of the "normal" commemoratives, that is to say once they've been fired and the odd little mar, they go to about 1/2 the value of the unfired , unmarred gun.  My thoughts and opinions only.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 13:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong></p>
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<p>King Medallion said<br />
I have a Buffalo Bill 30-30 and a Chief Crazy Horse 38-55. I not only shoot them, I hunted with the CCH last year and got a nice 8 point and a fat doe with it.<br />
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<p>Steve, <br />
Very nice! That's what they're meant for.  <br />
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<p>I also am glad to see this. Any suggestions or comments pertaining to advice, or comparison to the earlier non commemorative Winchesters possibly helping out the OP, or any others thinking they would like to hunt with one?</p>
<p>Thanks for posting!</p>
<p>Tony </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 13:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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<p><strong>King Medallion said </strong><br />
I have a Buffalo Bill 30-30 and a Chief Crazy Horse 38-55. I not only shoot them, I hunted with the CCH last year and got a nice 8 point and a fat doe with it.</p>
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<p>Steve, </p>
<p>Very nice! That's what they're meant for.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 11:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here is another example in the Single Shot records.  Serial number 80824 has at least (<strong>50</strong>) R&#038;R entries, requiring an addendum page to list them all.</p>
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<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 06:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here is another 73 carbine that was a display gun for Winchester with a full page letter and the ledger entry.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 02:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have seen the ledger entry and the letter is legit.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 02:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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<p><strong>1892takedown said </strong><br />
The pricing on a lot of these guns in the last couple years has gone out of sight whether middle of the road or high condition.  Ive lost interest being priced out of what I think is reasonable.  Now a days it has to be something I really selectively want to consider buying.   <br />
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<p>Agreed, it's worth more than I'm willing to pay for it. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 02:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Personally I would do an inquiry with CFM if I was interested in this rifle. I wonder why there isn't a work order number. Jesi has seen bogus letters. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 01:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong><br />
I have never seen a note added to the ledger like that in the 73's.<br />
Bob<br />
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<p>As I mentioned, it is very rare to find a ledger entry with an addendum page, but they certainly do exist.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen,</p>
<p>I do find this interesting, as the addendum Bert is talking about, in the 1885 S S Ledgers make some sense to me, and that Bob stated the he hasn't seen this in the 1873 ledgers, is also an interesting point as these two fine models overlap each other and aren't that far apart in all actuality. </p>
<p>Tony </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 22:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>King Medallion on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have a Buffalo Bill 30-30 and a Chief Crazy Horse 38-55. I not only shoot them, I hunted with the CCH last year and got a nice 8 point and a fat doe with it.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 21:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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