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                    <title>426crown on Winchester 1886 Rifle in .40-82</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<div><strong>From:</strong> Colby Damron &#060;cmdamron@mallardsguns.com&#062;</div>
<div><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:wds1948@yahoo.com" target="_blank">wds1948@yahoo.com</a> &#060;wds1948@yahoo.com&#062;; Accounts &#060;accounts@mallardsguns.com&#062;</div>
<div><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, May 24, 2026 at 08:59:02 AM MDT</div>
<div><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #103619660</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Aptos, -apple-system, Roboto, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 12pt;color: #000000">This rifle is not refinished; it has been appraised several times by professionals and even once sold for a higher price at Rock Island. I have refinished rifles in my inventory that I clearly put on the sales tag "refinished". We are a legitimate business, and we don't waste our time. </div>
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<strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, May 24, 2026 6:17:18 AM<br />
<strong>To:</strong> Accounts &#060;Accounts@mallardsguns.com&#062;<br />
<strong>Subject:</strong> An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #103619660</span></p>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong><span style="font-family: arial">Regarding your listing on <a href="https://www.gunsinternational.com" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">GunsInternational.com</a></span><br />
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Name: william stratton<br />
Email: <a href="mailto:wds1948@yahoo.com" target="_blank">wds1948@yahoo.com</a><br />
Phone Number: (575) 779-2188<br />
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This rifle was redone--poorly I might add. Price would best be under 4000.00 IMHO </strong></p>
<p><strong>GI#:</strong> <a href="https://www.gunsinternational.com/detail.cfm?gun_id=103619660" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"> 103619660</a><br />
<strong>SKU#:</strong> 409540<br />
<strong>Title:</strong> Winchester Model 1886 40-82 WCF<br />
<strong>Description:</strong> Manufactured in 1894, this Winchester Model 1886 is an exceptional and remarkably fresh example of one of the most important lever action rifles of the American frontier. Designed by the legendary John Moses Browning, the Model 1886 represented a major advancement over Winchester’s earlier toggle-link rifles, introducing the immensely strong locking-block action capable of handling the era’s powerful big bore cartridges. Chambered for the hard-hitting .40-82 W.C.F., the Model 1886 quickly earned a reputation for strength, reliability, and rapid repeating firepower, becoming one of the definitive “express” rifles of the late 19th century. Its robust design also allowed it to transition seamlessly into the smokeless powder era, securing production longevity through 1935 and cementing its legacy among the most respected Winchester lever actions ever produced.<br />
Factory records confirm this rifle was received at the warehouse on March 30, 1894, and shipped the following day in order number 11475. The letter lists the rifle in .40-82 caliber with an octagon barrel and plain trigger. Retaining the highly desirable casehardened frame standard to early production rifles, this example easily ranks among the finest surviving standard configuration antique Model 1886 rifles encountered today. The barrel bears the correct two-line Winchester address and “40-82 W.C.F.” caliber marking at the breech, while the upper tang carries the model designation and the lower tang displays the patent dates and serial number.<br />
The rifle is fitted with desirable sporting sights consisting of a No. 21 German silver blade front and elevation adjustable No. 22 rear sight. It is mounted with an attractive smooth walnut forearm and straight grip stock showing handsome wavy grain, paired with a smooth steel crescent buttplate. Standard configuration Model 1886 rifles in this level of condition are extraordinarily difficult to find today, as the vast majority saw decades of hard frontier use. This rifle stands as a superb representation of Winchester’s golden age and one of the finest surviving examples of Browning’s iconic big-frame lever action design.</p>
<p>Condition:<br />
Excellent plus. The barrel and magazine tube retain 97% plus of the original blue finish overall with a few handing marks. The breech bolt retains 98% plus of the bright original blue finish. 98% of the bright original nitre blue remains on the loading gate. The receiver retains 98% plus of the stunning, vibrant original case colors. The forend cap, hammer, lever, and buttplate retain 95% original case colors. The wood is also excellent with some minor dings and scratches. Mechanically excellent.</p>
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<strong>Price:</strong> $89,999.99 </p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 1876 questions </title>
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<p><strong>Hotchkiss10 said </strong><br />
I cleaned up this Winchester a bit and on the stock it has some numbers. Also has numbers on the frame. Should these numbers match the serial number?<br />
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<p>No, they should not.  The numbers you found are assembly numbers used to pair up the parts again during final assembly after being returned from final finishing.  The numbers were usually stamped on the inside left side of the lower tang and in the upper tang stock channel.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2026 15:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Hotchkiss10 on 1876 questions </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I cleaned up this Winchester a bit and on the stock it has some numbers. Also has numbers on the frame. Should these numbers match the serial number?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2026 13:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Winchester 1886 Rifle in .40-82</title>
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<p><strong>kevindpm61 said </strong><br />
Lots of varnish<br />
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<p>Probably.  Unless the seller applied something to make it glossy that wipes off, although this seems unlikely.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2026 12:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Buck1967 on Winchester 1886 Rifle in .40-82</title>
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<p><strong>mrcvs said </strong><br />
This one sure looks refinished to me.<br />
Comments?<br />
<a href="https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1886/winchester-model-1886-40-82-wcf.cfm?gun_id=103619660" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1886/winchester-model-1886-40-82-wcf.cfm?gun_id=103619660</a><br />
Who wants to inform the seller he needs to divide his asking price by 30?<br />
For starters, a rifle in such “high” condition would be unlikely to have suffered such abuse to the wood both sides of the wrist.<br />
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<p>We just had a post about inflated prices on eBay, guess we need to start one on GI too. Even I wouldn’t have been fooled by this one. To be fair he didn’t price it wrong. He just priced it 100 years too soon 😀</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2026 12:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Winchester 1886 Rifle in .40-82</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Lots of varnish</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2026 11:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>426crown on Winchester 1886 Rifle in .40-82</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a Turnbill CH, but the wood??</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2026 10:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Winchester 1886 Rifle in .40-82</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>This one sure looks refinished to me.</p>
<p>Comments?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1886/winchester-model-1886-40-82-wcf.cfm?gun_id=103619660" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1886/winchester-model-1886-40-82-wcf.cfm?gun_id=103619660</a></p>
<p>Who wants to inform the seller he needs to divide his asking price by 30?</p>
<p>For starters, a rifle in such “high” condition would be unlikely to have suffered such abuse to the wood both sides of the wrist.</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Opinions on (Browning) 1885 High Wall 40/65 BPCR model.?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I knew I could count on my friends to offer encouragement. Blessings on your respective houses.</p>
<p>Steve, I did get (through Amazon, apparently now the only source; Wolfe doesn't sell them directly) the 9th edition of the primer you recommend. Very informative and will eventually be useful.</p>
<p>Last evening I reviewed and then analyzed my Amex bill, as I always do before paying it. The sharp dose of reality convinced me I did not truly need to go adventuring in the land of the 40-65 Winchester, at least for a little while. </p>
<p>I decided I needed instead a Marble Arms tang sight for my impending 250-3000 Savage - and a set of dies and a bag of brass -- all at a fraction of the cost of another rifle. For the time being.</p>
<p>I'll report as events warrant. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2026 17:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tim tomlinson on Opinions on (Browning) 1885 High Wall 40/65 BPCR model.?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Zeb,  I know of one man who shoots a single shot in .40-65.   However his custom barrel has a faster twist than normal and he shoots heavier bullets.  I do not know his charge weight nor his bullet weight.   He used to compete in Raton but how competitive I also don't know.  He is the first person I saw who was straight on our short range silhouettes, tho.  Make of it as you will.   IF you so desire, I say go for it.  It will be a reloading proposition but then you do that now.  Odds are you can find some heavy bullets if you so desire to try for longer range oomph.  Tim</p>
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                    <title>Steven Gabrielli on Opinions on (Browning) 1885 High Wall 40/65 BPCR model.?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>BPCRS is great, unfortunately there’s nothing close to me, but if you’re gonna get into it, I highly recommend Mike Venturino’s book.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wolfeoutdoorsports.com/black-powder-cartridge-reloading-primer-newly-revised-9th-edition/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.wolfeoutdoorsports.com/black-powder-cartridge-reloading-primer-newly-revised-9th-edition/</a></p>
<p>there’s plenty of good reasons why most shooters take the 45-70 but if you’d like to be an oddball like me that’s fine, but you’re going to have to reload. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2026 12:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Opinions on (Browning) 1885 High Wall 40/65 BPCR model.?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I am still digesting the pair of 99EGs. The .300 has a Redfield 70 receiver sight, my favorite. The 250 has only a barrel mounted rear, but the tang is tapped for receiver sights. After reviewing the scalper prices for "S" coded vintage sights, I asked Midway to ship me their Improved tang sight for the 99, something else to digest, and I sold my 250 dies last year....</p>
<p>The EG rifles are just too sleek to encumber with scopes. The R was intended for that and mine is scoped. However, I still need to shim the scope base because the range of elevation is too limited. Leupold used to make a base with a built in 7 degree tilt, just for the 99. Somewhere there was a failure to communicate....</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2026 04:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Opinions on (Browning) 1885 High Wall 40/65 BPCR model.?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Might be fun, Zeb. Does it have sights? Some of those sights cost more than a few of my rifles. I don't cast for that cartridge but I understand it shoots a bit flatter than the 45-70. </p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Opinions on (Browning) 1885 High Wall 40/65 BPCR model.?</title>
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
I'm considering one. <br />
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<p>I understand they're great up to the rams, may have to hold a little high to ensure they fall over. Save the light bullets for the chickens. Since I don't play that game it would need to have spectacular wood or a bargain price tag, preferably both!<br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>I think I've talked myself out of it. </p>
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                    <title>steve004 on Winchester 1894 early serial number</title>
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<p>steve004 said<br />
That carbine has seen some weather!  A top, "poster child" candidate for the descriptor, "weathered appearance."  Also a poster child for, "glossy revarnish."  Were it mine (which likely wouldn't happen) I get rid of the varnish very quickly.<br />
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<p>Steve,<br />
I also noticed that shiny varnish that looks terrible on it. Like, cj57 said, the heavy cleaning that was done with the steel wool and emery paper, is obvious. How about the wood to metal fit that's pretty obvious as the sanded rounded corner on the wood, hence the heavy varnish being applied, as a cleaned up example and a poor refinish job over dirt and debris, maybe to make it possibly look older or more antique sh ! <br />
Tony<br />
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<p>I agree Tony.  I think that what's been done to it takes it out of the realm of, "character" carbine - which is the most it could be.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2026 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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