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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on M70 Stock Recommendations and Opinions Needed</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Buckums-</p>
<p>I'd never post a photo of myself unless I was wearing a mask... <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>You rifle was made in early 1950, so it's a Type III-1 oval tang gun.  Which is good, since it makes finding a stock much easier.  It should not be too difficult to find a low comb take-off stock with added pad for a decent price, and as long as it wasn't cut too short you should be good to go.  I think there were couple of them on a table at Cody...</p>
<p>Bishop was a popular maker of semi-finished and finished/drop-in stocks back in the day.  I never did care much for their Monte Carlo stocks, but a lot of people in the 1950s wanted the MC to replace the low comb if they were mounting a scope.</p>
<p>Good Luck!!!</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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With several very good comments posted, let's not get too far away from, the OP'S question on his desire to hunt with a commemorative vs collecting them.<br />
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<p>Careful Tony, or you'll end up with a forum moderator's position! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
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                    <title>Chuck on 1864 New Haven Arms Henry Rifle, Serial No. 7516 — Seeking Collector Input</title>
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<p>Chuck,<br />
Good point, "To never say Never", when it comes to Winchesters, and even the fore running Henry rifles. <br />
I had a chance to look in Les Quick's Henry book, and on page #146, he states that "it is believed to be something in excess of 600 rifles", and normally found between serial numbers 7000-9000. Including both martially marked on the left side of the wrist of the stock.<br />
I had to look this up and either verify or correct my earlier assumption.<br />
I don't see anything about the, "&#038;", stamp or mark, as he does call out the inspector marks on pages #132- #134. With the "W", "H", in the middle of the lower tang, and even a small center punch dot, " . ", located behind the lower rear receiver tang screw.<br />
The rear sight that is on the OP, rifle is shown on page #122 , as example "D", as the 900 range sight, (which was common for the last four of the five known Henry rifle rear sights), with the retaining screw at the top of the leaf. There are no serial number ranges for the five Henry rifle sights listed.<br />
Tony <br />
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<p>I also went through Les' book last night.  I have another book and when I get time I will look through it.  But Les' book is the best.  The marks on the later rifles are often worn away and most people don't even know to look for them. </p>
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                    <title>mrcvs on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The description even states the following:</p>
<p>”…professionally finished replacement sideplates…”</p>
<p>This is the kind of stuff you want to AVOID!</p>
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                    <title>Brodg88 on 1864 New Haven Arms Henry Rifle, Serial No. 7516 — Seeking Collector Input</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>1. I emailed Vonnie to see if she has anything related to it. <br />
2. I'll get a closeup of the wrist, but have not visually inspected it closely yet, I'll do that this weekend and add any images here if I find anything. </p>
<p>Thank you to everyone here. This body of expertise is SO helpful!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2026 16:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>With several very good comments posted, let's not get too far away from, the OP'S question on his desire to hunt with a commemorative vs collecting them. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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<p>Tony </p>
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                    <title>Anthony on 1864 New Haven Arms Henry Rifle, Serial No. 7516 — Seeking Collector Input</title>
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<p>Chuck said<br />
This Henry is not in the correct serial number range for a later military rifle.  Take a picture of the cleaning rod.  It is really hard to tell the difference of an original metal rod and the repos so I wouldn't worry about it.  <br />
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<p>Chuck,<br />
I am pretty sure serial numbers between  7000-9000, are "Type ll martial" Henry Rifles. I have one so marked a few hundred numbers under the one mentioned. These were Mfg. in 1864, and 1865.<br />
Tony<br />
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<p>That proves never say never.  Does it have the later stamp or the earlier stamps?<br />
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<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>Good point, "To never say Never", when it comes to Winchesters, and even the fore running Henry rifles. </p>
<p>I had a chance to look in Les Quick's Henry book, and on page #146, he states that "it is believed to be something in excess of 600 rifles", and normally found between serial numbers 7000-9000. Including both martially marked on the left side of the wrist of the stock.</p>
<p>I had to look this up and either verify or correct my earlier assumption.</p>
<p>I don't see anything about the, "&#038;", stamp or mark, as he does call out the inspector marks on pages #132- #134. With the "W", "H", in the middle of the lower tang, and even a small center punch dot, " . ", located behind the lower rear receiver tang screw.</p>
<p>The rear sight that is on the OP, rifle is shown on page #122 , as example "D", as the 900 range sight, (which was common for the last four of the five known Henry rifle rear sights), with the retaining screw at the top of the leaf. There are no serial number ranges for the five Henry rifle sights listed.</p>
<p>Tony </p>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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<p>Henry Mero said<br />
Most Winchester Commemoratives have the most value , #1- in the original pristine box and sleeve, "unopened" , from there , #2- opened unfired pristine no marks/corrosion with a nice box and paperwork, then #3-  some handling wear and a well worn box. Once they've been fired, other than the factory, it changes the whole ball game as far as collectability and value, (to a serious Commemorative collector). Then there are a lot of extenuating factors involved, eg; which Commemorative We are speaking of. I would be willing to bet none of the 10 only R.C.M.P. presentation guns have been fired because of the value, now $30,000-$40,000.00 or more, but all 32 of the R.C.M.P. #MPX#'rd guns have been fired and still bring a huge price. A regular R.C.M.P. , in the box, in average condition brings about $2500+/- unfired and about $1200+/-, used, a big difference. A complete pridtine , Chief Crazy Horse, with matching stamps,  knife, etc. would bring a very substantial $ value, $3500 - $4000, while the one being "used is a $1200 -$1500 gun. So 'ya , large difference. Pretty much the same can be said for the rest of the "normal" commemoratives, that is to say once they've been fired and the odd little mar, they go to about 1/2 the value of the unfired , unmarred gun.  My thoughts and opinions only.<br />
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
Henry, "only" your opinion on the matter of Winchester commemoratives is going to get printed out and pinned on my office wall. Anyone interested in the genre would be wise to do the same. <br />
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<p>Respectfully, this Commemorative collector strongly disagrees and believe the facts back me up. Every day Commemoratives sell on GB and GI within a stones throw of each other with the difference in price being the same as it is for every Winchester. The closer it is to original condition the higher the price. I have seen plenty of shooter grade Winchesters without box and papers sell for 70 to 90% of a NOS depending on its condition. I would offer a Wells Fargo Commemorative that has been fired but is in otherwise excellent condition would NEVER sell for 50% of a NOS. That is folly and again the everyday sales prove my point over and over. Is it possible some Collectors will turn their nose up at them. Certainly, but not most and the sales on GB prove my point. I am a very serious Commemorative collector and speaking for myself and every Commemorative collector I know (except Henry) we value the exact same thing every Winchester collector does and that is simply the Condition of the rifle. Excluding things like provenance, the better the condition, the higher the value - no more and no less! I adamantly contest and resent the notion Commemorative collectors are snooty and would devalue a rifle 50% simply because it has been shot. Let’s not forget, every Winchester including the Commemoratives were in fact test fired by Winchester before they were shipped.  I admire Henry, his many contributions to this Forum as well as his past and present collection but respectfully, the facts lead to a different conclusion than the one he has drawn here. I offer this lovingly Bill, but you need to move that print out from your office wall to the bathroom wall 😀<br />
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<p>Buck, with all due respect, you’re agreeing with Henry in this post.  You’re just looking from a glass half full vs Henry’s glass half empty perspective.  Just my opinion on what I’m reading.  Context is always misunderstood in text.  I love reading good arguments.  </p>
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                    <title>martin rabeno on 1864 New Haven Arms Henry Rifle, Serial No. 7516 — Seeking Collector Input</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Anthony.   I also on my own found his tombstone here in Philadelphia at mt Sinai cemetery. Need to get there and take a photo of the rifle against the tombstone   My rifle is number 7250   Let me know what she finds or you. She’s good.</p>
<p>marty</p>
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                    <title>Anthony on 1864 New Haven Arms Henry Rifle, Serial No. 7516 — Seeking Collector Input</title>
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<p><strong>martin rabeno said </strong><br />
I have a Henry in the same serial range. With the inspectors mark on the wrist it is military. They were issued to the 3rd US Vol Veterans Infantry Div<br />
The gun was issued to the volunteers as an sigh on bonus as they could take the gun with them when they muster out. Mine was issued to a Abraham Josephs. Check with Vonny  at The Horse soldier. She researched the serial number at the National Archive's and found all sorts of goodies for me on my rifle  Like muster cards and even a ledger Paige of him signing for the rifle<br />
You have a good one<br />
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<p>Martin,</p>
<p>I appreciate that information as I sent Vonny an email, @ "The Horse Soldier", to see what he might have on mine. Much appreciated.</p>
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                    <title>Anthony on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Once again I have learned some more on this great sight from the members who posted here. Sure does help to make this hobby more enjoyable. </p>
<p>As much as I like the 73 in this post, I don't like the re Color Case Hardened side plates looking stronger than the gun itself. I'm a fan of the CCH look, in the proper and correct unmolested firearms, but for the kind of money and the juices on top, I can't justify it, as I first was entertaining. In all honesty.</p>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Winchester 94 carbine Stage coach medallion in stock.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Haha, yes, maybe one of those "drive-by" postings!</p>
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                    <title>Old-Win on WIN M1873 44-40 BARREL LINER WORK</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>T&#038;J's liners makes a 5 groove 44-40 liner and John Taylor comes highly recommended.</p>
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                    <title>M64lvr on Commemorative Winchesters, shoot them or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>This is my one &#038; only personal  experience with a Commemorative.  Prior to it my opinion of them was probably similar to most, No Thanks Ill Have Standard! But now o dont even think Commemorative, i think only Mod 64 Win 30-30! Because in configuration, Form, and Execution,  thats exactly what it accomplishes!</p>
<p>Id long wanted a Mod 64 30-30,  but had never seen or heard of one around here, exception  being a good friends Mod 64a he bought new then either 72 or 73?</p>
<p>This 1971 NRA Centennial Model 94 30-30 which is how its stamped,  is really just a Mod 64a and actually a little better, has the Blackened Chromed Steel Receiver, better wood or least mine does, its beautiful along with fit n finish! Ive carried this rifle year around often since 2019, and the receiver shows 0 wear, other than the few scratches at loading port. It as accurate as an iron sighted levergun can hoped to be! It's by far my favorite hunting rifle, and has confirmed to me the known attributes of its design in the deer woods! It's disproven to me the pist 64 opinions,  and reconfirmed time and time again, $600 the most well spent money of my gun experience years!<img data-upload="1" data-width="1836" data-height="826" title="20231111_091146.jpg" alt="20231111_091146.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/m64lvr/2026/07/20231111_091146.jpg" /></p>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
I see you're a new member Longboard...welcome! Like Tony said, are you talking about the Wells Fargo commemorative rifle? If so, I can check what stats Trolard's commemorative book gives on that one.<br />
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<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>He never followed up and answered, as I didn't take the time to pull Trollard's book out and go through the motions of taking the time to put down the information.  I feel he might have gotten his information and started his search mode going and moved along. Hopefully we we're able to help out.</p>
<p>Many times I'll post it anyways as it can help out others who might need it. Gotta keep trying to give back! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Tony</p>
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