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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester 1895s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>All of the rifles are in well used condition and in &#060; 80% graded condition.</p>
<p>Of the four rifles, the 303 British is <strong>not</strong> a collector grade rifle.  Due to the fact that it has aftermarket checkered stocks and the non-factory installed receiver mounted Redfield peep sight, it is a "shooter" grade rifle.</p>
<p>Of the other three rifles, the 405 WCF is the most desirable (higher potential value), followed by the 30-03, with the 30-06 bringing up the rear.</p>
<p>The first thing I would check for the 405 WCF and the 30-03 rifles is the Take Down lock-up to verify that they are still tight (no wobble or loose fit).  For the 30-06, the area of concern is the bolt headspace.  Bore conditions would be next on my list.</p>
<p>Based on what I can see of each rifle, the value for the entire package is no more than $10K.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 16:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what other pieces are being "released" from the Robert M. Lee collection?</p>
<p>I didn't know who he was, so I looked him up. Thinking others may be wondering as well, here's what I found: </p>
<p>Lee was an American who became a professional hunter and safari organizer, who popularized Angola as a safari destination. He founded Hunting World, a supplier of hunting gear that expanded into fashionable bags and leather goods. </p>
<p>He must have done well because he became a serious arms and car collector and owned millions of dollars in real estate.</p>
<p>Lee died in Reno, Nevada in 2016. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 03:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Brandin Heidbreder on Winchester 1895s</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong><br />
The URL you posted is incomplete rendering it of no use.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Sorry about that.  Let me try it again</p>
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<p>Hope this like works better!!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 03:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>It will certainly be very entertaining &#038; interesting to see what the final bid lands at.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 02:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'd settle for a chance to take a close look at this historical rifle and watch it sell.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 02:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>If I was a billionaire, I’d chase this one down no matter the cost.</p>
<p>Anyone want to bet it doesn’t crack 5?  If not outright, once you add in buyer’s premium and sales tax?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4099/2/historic-sn-1-henry-rifle-presented-to-sec-of-war-edwin-stanton" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4099/2/historic-sn-1-henry-rifle-presented-to-sec-of-war-edwin-stanton</a></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 01:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>wayne spears on Johnny Ringo`s 1876 Winchester</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>According to the coroners jury among the items in his possession when he was found dead propped up against a tree was an 1876 winchester 45/60 leaning against the tree.  The serial number was listed as 21896.  The story is that this rifle disappeared and appears to have been distroyed in the Great San Francisco earthquake.  Has anyone done a search on this gun to see when and to whom it was shipped?  Just wondering! Wormey<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /> </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 01:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester 1895s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The URL you posted is incomplete rendering it of no use.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 01:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Louis, It is a continuing amazement to me you didn’t opt for a neurosurgical residency. (Although you do lack the arrogance seemingly required for that subspecialty.) If ever I had to suffer someone to root around in my brain, I would search for your obsessive neurosurgical clone. -Zeb</p>
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<p>Zeb-</p>
<p>My dad had a neurosurgeon who also lacked that quality. His chart apparently opined he was not communicative so nurses were surprised when they had a long conversation. Apparently a radiation research biologist and a neurosurgeon were able to find some common ground. The neurosurgeon also read his chart thoroughly and wisely chose not to talk down to him. There ARE some good docs out there!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 00:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Brandin Heidbreder on Winchester 1895s</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was able to check out a couple Winchester 1895s that a gentleman is looking to sell.  That said, I have found that he is very proud of his firearms and have a feeling his prices are on the high side.  Any help I can get in establishing reasonable values would be greatly appreciated!</p>
<p>I am realizing that the pictures I took were not the best and I might need to get more or at least take some feedback from the group on what I need to look for.  I am being honest that I did not look in the bore of any of these and realize that is a factor.  Calibers range from 30-06, 30-03, 405, and 303.  I am hoping the link below allows access to pictures.  They should all be in order from gun to gun.  I am thinking the 303 was a deluxe model?</p>
<p><a href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/fMbqnNg4Pyq8mNLLAhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/fMbqnNg4Pyq8mNLLA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://photos.app.goo.gl/fMbqnNg4Pyq8mNLLAhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/fMbqnNg4Pyq8mNLLA</a></p>
<p>Again, any input is appreciated as I continue my research.  Been looking at Gunbroker and very few have sold to compare to.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 23:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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<p><strong>Bo Rich said </strong><br />
Shooting a Monte Carlo stock Model 70 Pre 64 Model 70 with open sites is very challenging.  Not  advised, but the only way that I can see the sites are if my cheek is next to the butt plate!  Low comb stocks are better suited for iron sites, and a Monte Carlo stock is preferred when using a scope on the Pre 64 Model 70.<br />
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<p>Good afternoon, Bo.  Agree the folding Lyman sight line is too low for the MC comb.  However, the Lyman 48 WJS bridge sets sufficiently higher over the receiver that a replacement, higher front sight is required. The resulting sight line is not much different than the optical center of a 1" scope in low rings. I think It also depends on the shape of the shooter's face -  how thin-cheeked or heavy joweled he is and how hard he cheeks the stock. </p>
<p>Interestingly, for all its faults, that is one technical thing the 1964 Model 70 fixed. The stock was a high-combed Monte Carlo style for rapid scope picture acquisition. Both the front and rear iron sights were off-the-shelf Williams products featuring ramps that set high enough to meet the sight line required. They were screw-mounted, which was a good idea because big objective scopes required removal of the rear sight. I fitted my old 1966 243 with my son's Bausch &#038; Lomb 6.5 - 20X varmint scope before giving him the rifle.  Front and rear irons went into a Baggie for him, plug screws substituted. An easy task. <img data-upload="1" data-width="5312" data-height="2988" title="20210716_144953.jpg" alt="20210716_144953.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/05/20210716_144953.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 20:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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<p><strong>Louis Luttrell said </strong><br />
Hi Zeb-<br />
If I'd wanted to mess around inside somebody's head I would have become a psychiatrist.  Better hours and (usually) less blood...<br />
One of the "exercises" I've done for "the book" has been to put together a Chapter wherein I COMPLETELY disassembled a "representative" M70 (an early Type I-1 G7004C) so that I could show and describe every part (including pins, springs, screws, etc.) that went into one.  Naturally, that involves disassembling the bolt sleeve.  So I know how the safety works, even if I'm not qualified to work on one... <br />
And before you ask... YES... I also put the rifle back together, all by myself, with no "professional help".  AND it still works!!! <br />
Cheers,<br />
Lou<br />
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<p dir="ltr">​<em>"Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: yea, thine own lips testify against thee."</em></p>
<p dir="ltr">Job 15:6</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bo Rich on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Shooting a Monte Carlo stock Model 70 Pre 64 Model 70 with open sites is very challenging.  Not  advised, but the only way that I can see the sites are if my cheek is next to the butt plate!  Low comb stocks are better suited for iron sites, and a Monte Carlo stock is preferred when using a scope on the Pre 64 Model 70.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 19:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on pre-64 Model 70 safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zeb-</p>
<p>If I'd wanted to mess around inside somebody's head I would have become a psychiatrist.  Better hours and (usually) less blood... <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>One of the "exercises" I've done for "the book" has been to put together a Chapter wherein I COMPLETELY disassembled a "representative" M70 (an early Type I-1 G7004C) so that I could show and describe every part (including pins, springs, screws, etc.) that went into one.  Naturally, that involves disassembling the bolt sleeve.  So I know how the safety works, even if I'm not qualified to work on one...  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>And before you ask... YES... I also put the rifle back together, all by myself, with no "professional help".  AND it still works!!!  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>wolfbait on Plug screws for pre 64 Model 70</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I appreciate your time responding. These look like the ones.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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