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                    <title>mrcvs on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p>mrcvs said<br />
While $5,875,000 seems like a huge amount for this Henry rifle, plus added fees, it seems very cheap compared to the high end art market.  Almost makes the buyer of this rifle seem like a rookie:<br />
<a href="https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-10-expensive-auction-works-2025" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-10-expensive-auction-works-2025</a><br />
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<p>I agree, but then again this is not your average Henry rifle. SN 1 in any model always seems to command the biggest premium and prices. Not sure how much the buyer also valued the provenance with this one but I would guess a substantial amount.<br />
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<p>I would.  The provenance and engraving is actually more important to me—in this case—than the provenance.  Largely because of this:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.si.edu/object/henry-presentation-rifle%3Anmah_881516" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.si.edu/object/henry-presentation-rifle%3Anmah_881516</a></p>
<p>I’m surprised that Edwin M Stanton got the serial number 1 rifle and Lincoln got serial number 6, and not the other way around.</p>
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                    <title>Rick C on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>mrcvs said </strong><br />
While $5,875,000 seems like a huge amount for this Henry rifle, plus added fees, it seems very cheap compared to the high end art market.  Almost makes the buyer of this rifle seem like a rookie:<br />
<a href="https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-10-expensive-auction-works-2025" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-10-expensive-auction-works-2025</a><br />
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<p>I agree, but then again this is not your average Henry rifle. SN 1 in any model always seems to command the biggest premium and prices. Not sure how much the buyer also valued the provenance with this one but I would guess a substantial amount.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 13:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>On a side note, to kick off the auction (America's 250th celeb), they brought in a 101 yo WWII Marine who, according to them, was a flame thrower and witnessed the iconic raising of the flag at Iwo Jima. He then sang God Bless America and did a great job. Couldn't have dreamed up a better way to start it off!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>While $5,875,000 seems like a huge amount for this Henry rifle, plus added fees, it seems very cheap compared to the high end art market.  Almost makes the buyer of this rifle seem like a rookie:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-10-expensive-auction-works-2025" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-10-expensive-auction-works-2025</a></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason the Internal Revenue Service does not accept auction hammer prices as evidence of fair market value -- the existence of what I call the "Mine is bigger than yours derangement syndrome" that seizes and temporarily throttles capacity for rational thought in the brain of a bidder when he is outbid. Notice that I use the male pronoun. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 02:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Lou... I am thankful for your willingness to share your vast knowledge!  This goes to all the rest of the members (Bert, JWA, Elliot, Rick, Mike, Mark, Denny and many more!)  that have put in so much time to gather accurate information regarding this hobby we love.  It's what makes this group so great!   Looking forward to seeing you &#038; everyone else in Cody!  Travel safe my friends... Ben</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 00:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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<strong>Rick C said </strong><br />
Well, it certainly set a new record and then some. Unless another has sold for higher since, the most expensive antique rifle ever sold at auction prior to this was a Winchester Model 1886 Sporting Rifle (also Serial Number 1), which fetched $1.265 million at the Rock Island Auction. This is 4x that. <br />
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<p>I was in awe when they sold the Rifleman’s 1892 rifle for 500k a few months back! Who knew that was a steal! 😁😳</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 00:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Well, it certainly set a new record and then some. Unless another has sold for higher since, the most expensive antique rifle ever sold at auction prior to this was a Winchester Model 1886 Sporting Rifle (also Serial Number 1), which fetched $1.265 million at the Rock Island Auction. This is 4x that. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm of the thought that the higher - if not record-breaking - prices we are seeing does help to raise all boats.  I get Bill's analogy of his Toyota pickup vs. a top-end Mercedes, but I think the fact that the commonality between Henry #1 and a low grade Winchester being firearms, is relevant..  What I mean is, when people see others sinking bigger and bigger dollars into firearms, people get the message that firearms are increasingly worth sinking money into.  And not only money that was perhaps easy to acquire by a high-roller, but hard-earned dollars too.  I think it bolsters overall confidence in collectable firearms.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 22:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I will say here, without trying to sound too foolish, that collecting the really high end stuff tends to be a top down thing rather than a bottom up thing.  In other words, the folks that collect this sort of stuff make a fortune, often unplanned, and were in the right place at the right time, and then develop an interest to feed.  They might make some very expensive mistakes along the way—of which this was not one of them—and it really doesn’t matter to them as they can easily generate more income.</p>
<p>I developed an interest in antique firearms at a very young age, well before my 18th birthday, and the stuff I was handling then was by no means as nice as this rifle, nor, for that matter, even as nice as most of what I have collected now.  I decided that I would work for a corporation that would pay me handsomely enough to collect virtually anything I wanted to, not even fathoming that a firearm could ever run 6 figures or more.  A great plan, except these corporate job offers never materialized.</p>
<p>Putting this all together, this is why you and I are on this forum, the die hard collectors dreaming, fantasizing, and commiserating.  And the lucky winner of this rifle is not on this forum, it’s a trophy, firearms probably aren’t even in his blood.  Or, another way of thinking of it. We should be using our energy to create the next Nvidia and then decide to collect, and not the other way around.  It’s VERY difficult to succeed in the bottom up approach without a lot of luck and connections.</p>
<p>i know an individual in the meat industry, his brother showed up one day, an M.D. in a very expensive sports car, bragged about how he had another ten just like it.  Then his brother told me he went to medical school to finance his expensive car interests, had no interest in helping folks get better.  And showed up to borrow money from his sausage-making brother as he couldn’t support his lifestyle.  Moral behind that story:  Don’t bite off more than you can chew.  It sounds like the purchaser of this rifle can afford to bite off a lot, as he supposedly won several items in this auction.  Most items approached or exceeded the annual income of most individuals in this country.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 22:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TR on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p> RIA by promoting a particular model of gun and selling it for a record high raises the value of similar guns. Collectors see them sell and figure that's the new value. Example, you see them sell a nice Colt SAA Cavalry model in lot 5 for north of 300K. Next time you see a no condition one for sale you are willing to pay more, not 300k but maybe twice what you would have before. The price of the lesser gun has gone up due to RIA promotion whether it was the video how rare they are or the sale at a much higher price.</p>
<p> I have used RIA surprises to direct me to like gun purchases before the rest of the market reacts. Most of my purchases in the last 5 years have been trying to find the next gun that will appreciate rapidly or at least be a easy sale or trade.</p>
<p> In the case of the 6 million dollar Henry it was serial number 1 and a famous owner during a historic time in history. Any one of these three things raise the price of any gun and all three raise it a lot. The sale of this Henry does not affect the price of other Henrys. I come away from this auction understanding the value of serial number 1, a famous owner, and key times in American history.</p>
<p>                                                                                               T/R</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 21:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>rogertherelic on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That's what it has.  Thanks Lou.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Pre War Model 70 Safety</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger-</p>
<p>Yours has the expected bolt sleeve.  The hole in the side for a safety retaining pin (distinguishing Versions 1A and 1B) was added early in 1938 more or less around serial number 14,000.  That bolt sleeve was then used for the rest of Type I (pre-war) actions.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Just fyi.  I have Ser. 18434 chambered in 300 H&#038;H.  It has "VER 1B".  I don't know if this helps or not.  RDB</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I don't think the market for five million dollar guns has anything to do with the value of anything I own or might ever aspire to. It is a completely different market. That both markets are for collectible guns is deceptive. </p>
<p>The resale value of my 2009 Toyota Tacoma is not influenced by the going collector price of the Mercedes Benz 300SL presented by its maker to Juan Manuel Fangio, the great Argentine who once drove for the marque. That both are cars is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Even If my car were a 1956 Corvette instead of a Toyota truck, the price of Fangio's ride would still not affect the value of my Vette -- unless GM had presented it for some unknowable reason to Stirling Moss. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 18:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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