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                    <title>Chris D on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob, do you think Winchester would case harden a frame and lower tang after it was originally finsihed as blued? Or would they use a new reciever and lower tang? </p>
<p>An interesing 1873 nonetheless. </p>
<p>This August auction has some very unique Winchesters. Lot 1011 I really like, a deluxe 36'' 1873. What a unicorn. How many 36'' guns in your survey Bob? </p>
<p>Chris</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 06:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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<p><strong>1892takedown said </strong><br />
The pricing on a lot of these guns in the last couple years has gone out of sight whether middle of the road or high condition.  Ive lost interest being priced out of what I think is reasonable.  Now a days it has to be something I really selectively want to consider buying.   <br />
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<p>I’m with you on that!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 02:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1892takedown on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The pricing on a lot of these guns in the last couple years has gone out of sight whether middle of the road or high condition.  Ive lost interest being priced out of what I think is reasonable.  Now a days it has to be something I really selectively want to consider buying.   </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here is the letter Tony. The Returned Jan 6 1881 is the date it shipped back (returned) and to New York I'm thinking its a New York distributor or dealer. </p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 01:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on RIA Winchester first M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here's  a first model 1873 in the August RIA, that I find has a very interesting Cody letter showing that the early rifle was returned in 1881, and had some work done which is explained in the letter, as we very rarely see these type of descriptions in a letter showing any kind of work</p>
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<p>I don't know why it's turned, as I tried to make it as small as I could. </p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 23:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on M70 Stock Recommendations and Opinions Needed</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Buckums-</p>
<p>What is the serial number?  Reason I ask is that 1948 was when Winchester changed from the Type II "transition" receiver with cloverleaf tang to the Type III "latter" receiver with the oval tang.  I can't quite make out which yours is...</p>
<p>IF it's a type III (oval tang) receiver, and you like the look/feel of the low comb (NRA style) stock, then for a hunting rifle I think I'd just watch eBay for a take-off stock with an added recoil pad.  You're likely to find one for $150 or so, and if it's already been cut for a pad you can replace the pad, glass bed the action, etc. to your hearts content without worrying about devaluing an "original" stock.   </p>
<p>Just my take...  It's what I did to the 1950 vintage 30-06 Standard rifle that I use on deer...  Not a great picture of the gun (scanned off a Kodachrome slide), but this is what it looks like with an average TX whitetail...</p>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 19:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I’m looking at the receiver end of the barrel, and for the barrel ring to be free of any of what’s going on where it meets the receiver, I find a bit suspicious. The bluing in that area is also not uniform with where it meets as well. It’s possible being a takedown, the Cody information could be a surprise but otherwise, I like it. It be nice to know if it’s original configuration. Jmo</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 19:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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<p><strong>antler1 said </strong><br />
It is obviously on somebody's table at a gun show so just tell us their price on the tag.<br />
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<p>$5250.</p>
<p>In today’s market I value it at $3750 +/-, possibly 4k.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>antler1 on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>It is obviously on somebody's table at a gun show so just tell us their price on the tag.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 17:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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<p>Barryf448 said<br />
I think your assessment of today’s market is fair. The very top-end collectors are chasing exceptional originality and condition, while budget buyers are simply looking for an affordable shooter. This rifle falls somewhere in between.<br />
That said, I wouldn’t discount its desirability. A .38-55 with a half-octagon barrel, takedown, button magazine, tang sight, globe front sight, and possible 1X wood is a very appealing configuration. Those features aren’t common together.<br />
While the condition keeps it from being a premier collector piece, the configuration adds value that shouldn’t be overlooked. A Cody letter could also strengthen its appeal if it confirms those features.<br />
If I were pricing it in today’s market, I’d expect it to bring around $4,500 to $5,500, with the higher end depending on originality, bore condition, and whether the wood and finish prove to be factory original. I think the rifle will appeal more to someone who appreciates uncommon configurations than to a condition-driven collector<br />
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<p>I think the wood may have been refinished, maybe awhile ago.  Maybe not…<br />
Bluing is original.<br />
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<p>Ian,</p>
<p>I'm in agreement with you on the wood, but like Barry said in that configuration and a nice representation, his numbers are right there in the approximate ballpark also. I would still classify it as a good honest gun. </p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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<p><strong>Barryf448 said </strong><br />
I think your assessment of today’s market is fair. The very top-end collectors are chasing exceptional originality and condition, while budget buyers are simply looking for an affordable shooter. This rifle falls somewhere in between.<br />
That said, I wouldn’t discount its desirability. A .38-55 with a half-octagon barrel, takedown, button magazine, tang sight, globe front sight, and possible 1X wood is a very appealing configuration. Those features aren’t common together.<br />
While the condition keeps it from being a premier collector piece, the configuration adds value that shouldn’t be overlooked. A Cody letter could also strengthen its appeal if it confirms those features.<br />
If I were pricing it in today’s market, I’d expect it to bring around $4,500 to $5,500, with the higher end depending on originality, bore condition, and whether the wood and finish prove to be factory original. I think the rifle will appeal more to someone who appreciates uncommon configurations than to a condition-driven collector<br />
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<p>I think the wood may have been refinished, maybe awhile ago.  Maybe not…</p>
<p>Bluing is original.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 16:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Barryf448 on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I think your assessment of today’s market is fair. The very top-end collectors are chasing exceptional originality and condition, while budget buyers are simply looking for an affordable shooter. This rifle falls somewhere in between.</p>
<p>That said, I wouldn’t discount its desirability. A .38-55 with a half-octagon barrel, takedown, button magazine, tang sight, globe front sight, and possible 1X wood is a very appealing configuration. Those features aren’t common together.</p>
<p>While the condition keeps it from being a premier collector piece, the configuration adds value that shouldn’t be overlooked. A Cody letter could also strengthen its appeal if it confirms those features.</p>
<p>If I were pricing it in today’s market, I’d expect it to bring around $4,500 to $5,500, with the higher end depending on originality, bore condition, and whether the wood and finish prove to be factory original. I think the rifle will appeal more to someone who appreciates uncommon configurations than to a condition-driven collector</p>
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                    <title>Buckums on M70 Stock Recommendations and Opinions Needed</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  This was my first pre-64 M70 that I purchased a few years ago.  - .30 GOV'T .06 - I believe it is a 1948 manufacture date based on serial number.  The rifle shoots pretty darn good as she sits, but I really don't care for the stock, which is an aftermarket stock of some sort, maybe custom not sure, but I have been told its likely a replacement stock from the 60's or 70's.   Regardless, its bulky and I really don't like a Monte Carlo style stocks.   So I am trying to get recommendations / opinions on best options for replacing it.  Any good stock makers that are worth the money?  Drop in stocks?   I don't want to break the bank but also not going to cheap out either.   This clearly is no collector's piece, and will be used heavily primarily for hunting whitetail, mule deer, and the like.  There really isn't anything wrong with the stock, and it shoots well, but it's just not my taste or fit.   Attached are pics of how she sits currently.  thanks for any help.</p>
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                    <title>Anthony on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>With the fine points that you brought up on this, as you said lower condition, yet harder to find configuration rifle. I would venture to say that on the Gun Broker auction site where it could possibly command the most $$$, it could fetch up near the $5-6,000.00 range, as it looks like it has a lot of good honest things going foe it. IMO!</p>
<p>On let's say Guns International, maybe not so much, as the auction frenzy of Gun Broker seems to be self implied on many occasions!</p>
<p>Ten people, and ten different thoughts and opinions!</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Learning exercise:  Winchester Model 1894 Rifle in .38-55 with compelling features</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Let’s start with this is a rifle that, as someone else once said in another thread, “those that can afford it won’t want it, those that want it can’t afford it”—meaning that this rifle, while nicer, lacks the condition those collecting this stuff and with the means to afford it, will bypass it, because it lacks the desired condition.</p>
<p>This is the segment of the market that has really faltered, and, unfortunately, will likely continue to do dis.</p>
<p>What it has going for it:  .38-55, 1/2 octagon barrel, button magazine, takedown, tang sight and globe front sight, possible 1x wood, and some condition.</p>
<p>What it lacks:  Condition those collecting this desire, not antique (1900), no factory letter (but thus could be easily rectified—just order it).</p>
<p>Given the dichotomy in today’s market, this being not at either end of the spectrum, what would you value it in today’s market?</p>
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