Bert H. said

mrcvs said
Bert can further elaborate, but I believe, IIRC, fluted combs date to about 1913 to 1915 and so the fluted comb buttstock on this carbine may have been affixed to this mid 1920s receiver at a later date.
  

Based on current survey results, the Fluted comb butt stocks first appeared in 1911 on the Model 1894, and they continued to be used through 1936.  In all cases, the fluted comb stock was fitted with a shotgun style butt plate.  The early production specimens are found with a smooth steel, checkered steel, or a hard rubber plate, all of which will have the widow's peak.  At some time in 1914, the widow's peak was eliminated from the hard rubber and smooth steel butt plates, but continued to be found on the checkered steel butt plates. 
It was in the post-WW I years that the serrated steel butt plate began appearing, and through the 1920s and up to the mid 1930s it was the most common shotgun stye butt plate found on the Model 94 (it became the standard butt plate on all Model 94 Carbines in mid-year 1937).
Bert
  

Thank you for this, I wasn’t sure if the latest findings.  I didn’t recall them being this late.  And, of course, this refers to the Model 1894, I didn’t know how similar this data was to Model 1892 production, or not.

mrcvs said
Bert can further elaborate, but I believe, IIRC, fluted combs date to about 1913 to 1915 and so the fluted comb buttstock on this carbine may have been affixed to this mid 1920s receiver at a later date.
  

Based on current survey results, the Fluted comb butt stocks first appeared in 1911 on the Model 1894, and they continued to be used through 1936.  In all cases, the fluted comb stock was fitted with a shotgun style butt plate.  The early production specimens are found with a smooth steel, checkered steel, or a hard rubber plate, all of which will have the widow's peak.  At some time in 1914, the widow's peak was eliminated from the hard rubber and smooth steel butt plates, but continued to be found on the checkered steel butt plates. 

It was in the post-WW I years that the serrated steel butt plate began appearing, and through the 1920s and up to the mid 1930s it was the most common shotgun stye butt plate found on the Model 94 (it became the standard butt plate on all Model 94 Carbines in mid-year 1937).

Bert

I finally found a model 70 winchester in .270 madze its the first one i'e in 1949 gunsinternational # 103651635 in my price range

however it looks as if it may have been compromised the stock grain looks different than what i'm used to among 

other things could i have some of my fellow members voice their opinion, i realize it's the first one i've found don't want

to get too ancy.

                                                                                                                                             Thanks DAVE 66155

Agent1911 said
Hello friends. Stumbled across something unusual recently and wanted some input and possibly a source for a replacement butt pad.
25-20wcf 
First one I ever seen in this configuration. Seems to be non-bubba. Any opinions?
Thanks!
  

What style of butt plate is currently on the rifle?  The fluted comb style of butt stock starts showing up on Model 1892 rifles with serialization dates starting in 1912.  To date, I have cataloged 96 individual Model 1892 rifles with this style of butt stock.  Of those 96 rifles 26 are sporting rifles, 43 are carbines with no sling ring, and 27 are SRC's.  The most unique feature among all samples is the style of magazines lengths.  For all configurations, full length magazines account for 24%, 21% are half mags, while the most common magazines length is 2/3 rds at 53%.  Only two carbine examples have a 3/4 magazine.  The caliber distribution for all examples is as follows: 24% in 25-20 WCF, 22% are 32 WCF,  42% are 38 WCF, and only 11% are 44 WCF caliber.

Bert H. said
Serial number?  Based on the configuration, I suspect that it is a 1913 (or later) production special order Carbine.  Does it have saddle ring?
Bert
  

931673

Yes it is a SRC.

Nobody I know with a K-Hornet starts with anything but standard cases, either. But in all these instances, my friends and I were or are working with factory chambers or a chamber modified by a known, reputable gunsmith who had marked his work on the gun. 

Street people say "Know your dealer."  I say "Know your gunsmith or know your chamber" -- both are useful to keep out of trouble. 

I draw the line at using standard cartridges in an unknown chamber. Why? Because a chamber modified by someone unwilling or too ignorant to mark the modification may or may not be a person fit to play with matches, much less a firearm. I might do it with a Mark V but not with a Mauser 98 derivative unless I could secure it and fire it with a lanyard. 

Life is so much simpler with a chamber cast, a digital caliper, and the SAAMI specs. This will also give you useful information about the most advantageous bullet seating depth, maximum loaded neck diameter for adequate bullet release, and several other pieces of useful information you can't get any other way. 

"Every man for himself and God for us all" but I value my eyes.

What I was suggesting is that IF a 300 Weatherby case won't come close to chambering, which it won't in a 300 H&H Magnum chamber, then I would fire a 300 H&H cartridge in the chamber and see what the extracted case looks like when it comes out.  Assuming my head was still attached...

Everything else being equal, firing 300 H&H cartridge in a 300 Weatherby (or 300 Ackley Improved, etc.) chamber is no more of a problem than firing 22 Hornet in a 22K Hornet chamber.  That's how you made brass before you could buy it...

I'd worry much more about a standard action converted to short magnum, where some people did/do some dumb/dangerous things, than I would a long magnum 300 H&H versus 300 Weatherby.

Lou

Louis Luttrell said
The Model 70s most affected are 22 Hornet, 300 H&H Magnum and 375 H&H Magnum.  Usually the gunsmith responsible for the rechambering would mark the barrel in some way, but not always.  Especially the H&H Magnums made before 1950, when the caliber stamps were only "300 MAGNUM" and "375 MAGNUM" (no "H&H" or "Weatherby").
I cannot give an accurate estimate of how often the rechambering was done and not marked, mainly b/c when it wasn't marked it wasn't marked.  But the rechamberings themselves were pretty popular back in the day.  I once took a very nice transition 22 Hornet of my Dad's to the range and after firing extracted beautifully fire formed 22 K Hornet brass!!!  No marking to indicate the conversion...
I guess my approach to these guns might be considered dangerous.  But we are talking about rechambering (using a reamer to open up an existing chamber), not a conversion, for example from 30-06 to 300 Winchester Magnum.  That conversion can be done badly, unnecessarily removing metal from behind the bottom recoil lug under the mistaken assumption that it was needed for the cartridge to feed and inadvertently creating an unsafe gun.  Even a chamber cast won't pick up that disaster in the making!!!
But, after all, the way you MADE 300 Weatherby, 375 Weatherby or 22 K Hornet brass was to fire form it from 300 H&H Magnum, 375 H&H Magnum, or 22 Hornet.  Before purchasing, I would check that 300 Weatherby or 22 K Hornet brass would not chamber (I used to hunt with a Weatherby 300 Magnum so have lots of brass), but if not I'd just shoot the gun and see what the brass looked like.  I think the only danger in this would be the situation Zeb described, where an incompetent gunsmith cut a sloppy chamber and didn't use Go, No-Go gauges...  But if the larger brass wouldn't chamber I've just assumed that the chamber was factory original.
Maybe I'm just too much of a "risk taker"...
Lou
  

Lou,  I think what you are suggesting the OP do is load and fire a 300 HOLLAND case and see if it fireforms into a Weatherby case - or a 300 Ardvaark or a 300 Mashburn Long, or a 300 Ackley Long, etc.  

I think the OP proposed to fire a 300 WEATHERBY cartridge. 

cj57 said
Congrats! Nice looking 86 in a scarce caliber 
  

Thanks. I was looking at a 38-56wcf with a pistol grip, single set trigger, 28" barrel and i'm 99% sure the butt stock was changed because it was so much lighter color than the forearm. It also had Philip screws rather than slotted in the butt plate. I almost pulled the trigger.

Bert