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                    <title>steve004 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on A Real ??—“Trapper” on GB today</title>
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<p><strong>James Fenderson said </strong><br />
Barrel address roll marking are not in the correct location if has the correct short  forarm  i have a 16 inch 94 it in front of the barrrel band <br />
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<p>James,</p>
<p>I have seen several Model 1894 and Model 94 16-inch Trappers.  The early (Model 1894) usually have the roll marking forward of the rear barrel band, but many of the later (Model 94) 16-inch Trappers have the roll marking located behind the rear barrel band.  The Trapper in question is one of the later production Model 94s.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 23:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong></p>
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The Super Grade nosecap, rear inletted base, swivels and strap package was a factory special order feature for the Standard M64. I owned one. Probably for the M65, too. But Fagin went at this Wonder bass-ackwards. <br />
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<p>That is not a completely accurate assertion.  The Model 64 Deer Rifles were standard with the Super Grade sling swivels as were as the Model 71 Special rifles.  For the Model 65, the "Special" rifle was a special order item, and they were indeed identically configured the same as a Model 64 Deer Rifle or a Model 71 Special (checkered stocks, capped PG, and SG swivels).  Bolt peep sights were standard for the M65 218 Bee, M64 219 Zipper, and the pre-WW II Model 71 rifles.</p>
<p>In regard to the Model 65 rifle in question, there are few issues that I see with it.  The stock set appears to be correct for a "Special", but the rifle has been altered.   The first (big) issue is the missing No. 98C bolt peep sight. The second issue is the replaced forend nose-cap and the after-market front sling mount. The last issue is the replacement front sight hood.  On a positive note, I do not believe that this rifle has been reblued (the proof mark stamps on the frame ring and barrel are crisp and off color as they should be).</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 23:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James Fenderson on A Real ??—“Trapper” on GB today</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Barrel address roll marking are not in the correct location if has the correct short  forarm  i have a 16 inch 94 it in front of the barrrel band </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 23:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The nose cap is wrong for the Special style of a Model 65. It should have the sling swivel base molded into the cap. I can't see the rear swivel base well enough to determine whether the base itself is the correct "Super Grade" factory base or not. If it is, the entire buttstock is likely a replacement amd the forearm wood, too but the latter must not have come with a nose cap. </p>
<p>My guess is this is a Standard style gunsmithed into a pseudo-Special. </p>
<p>The black backdrop precludes close examination. If it were real, it should hammer for well over 3K. </p>
<p>The Super Grade nosecap, rear inletted base, swivels and strap package was a factory special order feature for the Standard M64. I owned one. Probably for the M65, too. But Fagin went at this Wonder bass-ackwards. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 22:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on A Real ??—“Trapper” on GB today</title>
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<p><strong>James Fenderson said </strong><br />
The gun is not legit tThere are two red flags wrong fore arm and the barrel marking are in the wrong place and look at pitchers 9-13 you see the sight has been put on this gun<br />
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<p>I disagree.</p>
<p>Unless you have exceptionally acute (x-ray) vision, the quality (resolution) of the photos (9, 13, &#038; 22) is not sufficient enough to determine if the front sight post was installed after the fact.  Based on its position on the barrel, it appears correct.</p>
<p>The barrel address roll marking in is the correct location for a 16-inch barrel. On the 14" and 15" barrels, it was moved forward of the barrel band.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 22:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chris D on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The pictures are crap. From what I see, it has been totally reblued. And some one has pinched the bolt mounted peep sight. </p>
<p>One to stay away from!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 22:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>antler1 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm not any kind of expert, but I don't believe the stock set is original. Like the model 64 deluxe the sling swivels should be recessed in rear and front swivel built into forend cap. I can't evaluate the metal finishes with the black background photos</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>helidriver72 on 218 Bee on GB</title>
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<p>I dont think its original or right, I’d really like to hear your guys opinions.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 20:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James Fenderson on A Real ??—“Trapper” on GB today</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The gun is not legit tThere are two red flags wrong fore arm and the barrel marking are in the wrong place and look at pitchers 9-13 you see the sight has been put on this gun</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 20:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Winchester</title>
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<p><strong>Duckman1975 said </strong><br />
I have followed this thread with interest as I have in my collection a 1907 (1894) and a 1950 (1894) , a 1956 (1894 engraved Japanese) , and my M12s are 1939 HD, 1940 Trap, 1942 Skeet, 1956 Pigeon and 1958 featherweight. At 70 my only son has basically seized all my .308’s as he’s little interested in shotguns and has never ventured into hunting. So my dilemma is who to leave these to when you have really no extended family that shares the historical interest that Winchester collectors like us have?  I have a younger colleague that I work with who has a large collection of firearms and 3 young sons. More than likely I’ll leave them to him and his sons as I know he has the same passion for well made, well maintained firearms like mine and will keep them in good custody. It is what it is but better to be prepared to leave your legacy of firearm acquisition to someone who appreciates them than to just leave them to the appraiser at an estate sale. Like money, you can’t take them with you!<br />
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<p>Can't help you with your dilemma but make sure you have a Trust and your wishes are noted in the Trust.  Each beneficiary could have a copy of the Trust.  The executor of the Trust will have the original document.  This way there may be less fighting. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 17:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Duckman1975 on Winchester</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have followed this thread with interest as I have in my collection a 1907 (1894) and a 1950 (1894) , a 1956 (1894 engraved Japanese) , and my M12s are 1939 HD, 1940 Trap, 1942 Skeet, 1956 Pigeon and 1958 featherweight. At 70 my only son has basically seized all my .308’s as he’s little interested in shotguns and has never ventured into hunting. So my dilemma is who to leave these to when you have really no extended family that shares the historical interest that Winchester collectors like us have?  I have a younger colleague that I work with who has a large collection of firearms and 3 young sons. More than likely I’ll leave them to him and his sons as I know he has the same passion for well made, well maintained firearms like mine and will keep them in good custody. It is what it is but better to be prepared to leave your legacy of firearm acquisition to someone who appreciates them than to just leave them to the appraiser at an estate sale. Like money, you can’t take them with you!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Winchester 1873 22 short</title>
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<strong>1873man said </strong></p>
<p>Chuck, you said they were going to start making the mag tubes again, what is the story with that.<br />
They are like a heavy barrel gun with the small hole in them. I could never figure out the reason for this one but I figure someone wanted bragging rights.<br />
Bob</p>
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<p>The last email I got stated that they may have some in stock in a few months.  That was a couple months ago.  I sent another email to them yesterday.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Winchester 1873 22 short</title>
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong><br />
 I would have them send you pictures of both parts to see what its going to take to get it into working condition. </p>
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<p>This is good advice, OP. If they want top dollar, they should be willing to do it. You can then compare to Bob's photos! Good luck!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 12:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chris D on A Real ??—“Trapper” on GB today</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>It is a nice looking 1894! </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 02:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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