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                    <title>Buck94 on Collectible?  or shooters?  9mm military cartridges</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>These appear to be World War II military cartons of Winchester 9mm Parabellum, packed 64 rounds for submachine guns (Sten and similar Allied contracts). The Imperial War Museum has the same style dated 1941. What you have looks like a mixed lot, and the printed boxes are the ones with value.</p>
<p>Of the the Five boxes</p>
<p>•<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>Two full-legend boxes (top left and bottom left): “WINCHESTER / 9m/m PARABELLUM / 64-CARTRIDGES / FOR USE IN Sub-Machine Guns,” with the W.R.A. Co. mark and “Division of Western Cartridge Co., New Haven.” These are the collector pieces.</p>
<p>•<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>Three plain cartons marked only “9m/m PARABELLUM CARTRIDGES 64,” two with later yellow “9mm Luger” stickers and one with red ink (“W.S.” and a date-style note). Those are the common inner or later military cartons.</p>
<p>Condition on all of them is fair and used: soiling, edge wear, and tape residue. None look sealed or near-new.</p>
<p>Looking at recent comps online I found one:</p>
<p>•<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>A full vintage Winchester “for use in sub-machine guns” box is about $70 retail at Checkpoint Charlie’s (50-round version). A dated 1942–43 full box is listed at $200, which is an asking price, not a sale.</p>
<p>Just my opinion, the realistic U.S. range, as they sit:</p>
<p>•<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>Full printed box, complete and original: about $40–80. Early headstamps (1941–43 WRA) and clean cartridges push the top of that; a shop might ask $100–150.</p>
<p>•<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>Empty printed box: about $15–35, as a display piece next to a Sten or Luger. Or add a zero if from one of our crazy eBay sellers 😀</p>
<p>•<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>Plain 64-round carton: about $20–40 if full (mostly the ammo), $5–15 empty.</p>
<p>As a lot, if all five are full and original, figure roughly $150–300 at a gun show or local sale, maybe $350 if the two labeled boxes check out with matching WRA rounds. If they are empty, the two printed boxes carry almost all the value, about $40–70 together.</p>
<p>The photo only shows the tops, so contents, headstamps, and whether the rounds are original to the boxes are the difference between the low and high end. A side shot of the end flaps and a cartridge headstamp would tighten this. Old military 9mm is a collector item first; don’t assume it is safe to shoot without checking the primers and cases.</p>
<p>The devil is in the details and as always, the value of collectibles can vary wildly by the market you choose and the pool of buyers. Bottom line in my opinion is “Do Not” let your daughter shoot them! They are collectible, a nice conversation piece and should increase in value. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 10:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Collectible?  or shooters?  9mm military cartridges</title>
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<p><strong>ssdave said </strong><br />
Didn't mean to start a thread and walk away, just got busy with other things.<br />
Haven't done anything with the 9mm, I'll have to find time this winter to deal with them.  Never occurred to me that they might be too hot for modern handguns, I'll pass on giving them to my daughter to shoot.  Same lot of stuff these came from, got a few thousand modern 9mm, so she can shooot those up for a while.<br />
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<p>I’ll buy a box when you’re ready to sell them. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>ssdave on Collectible?  or shooters?  9mm military cartridges</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Didn't mean to start a thread and walk away, just got busy with other things.</p>
<p>Haven't done anything with the 9mm, I'll have to find time this winter to deal with them.  Never occurred to me that they might be too hot for modern handguns, I'll pass on giving them to my daughter to shoot.  Same lot of stuff these came from, got a few thousand modern 9mm, so she can shooot those up for a while.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2026 05:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I wish that shop was there many years ago.  We used to go to Spirit Lake for our summer vacations.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2026 22:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I just watched the video - darn cool.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2026 22:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that worked....that's pretty much what I thought it would do...pretty cool!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2026 13:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>PHENDRICKSON on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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<p>Jeremy P said<br />
Post us a video of it doing whatever it does! Assuming it's motorized given your pics...<br />
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<p>Jeremy, I tried to attach a video before but it didn't work. I will try again tonight after work. Thanks<br />
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<p>Jeremy  if you go to the top of the page just above the first picture, if you click on that, you can see the video... I think, it worked for me anyway.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 21:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>PHENDRICKSON on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Post us a video of it doing whatever it does! Assuming it's motorized given your pics...<br />
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<p>Jeremy, I tried to attach a video before but it didn't work. I will try again tonight after work. Thanks</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 21:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>PHENDRICKSON on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Post us a video of it doing whatever it does! Assuming it's motorized given your pics...<br />
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<p>Jeremy, I tried to attach a video before but it didn't work. I will try again tonight after work. Thanks</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 21:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Post us a video of it doing whatever it does! Assuming it's motorized given your pics...</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 12:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>PHENDRICKSON on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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<p><strong>Anthony #5411 said </strong><br />
Welcome Phillip,<br />
I wish I could be more help, as it's something that most of us probably haven't seen, but here's a place, in Spirit Lake, Iowa, that might be able to help you a little bit about it. You could also try Jennifer Gole who is on the WACA Board, and has dealt in a lot of Winchester accoutrements. <br />
<a href="https://thewinchesterstore.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://thewinchesterstore.com/</a><br />
Good Luck in you're pursuit.<br />
Tony<br />
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<p><strong>Anthony #5411 said </strong><br />
Welcome Phillip,<br />
I wish I could be more help, as it's something that most of us probably haven't seen, but here's a place, in Spirit Lake, Iowa, that might be able to help you a little bit about it. You could also try Jennifer Gole who is on the WACA Board, and has dealt in a lot of Winchester accoutrements. <br />
<a href="https://thewinchesterstore.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://thewinchesterstore.com/</a><br />
Good Luck in you're pursuit.<br />
Tony<br />
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<p>Thank you Tony,  I really appreciate you taking your time to give me the information you have! Hopefully I have a unicorn on my hands.</p>
<p>Thanks, Phil</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2026 02:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony #5411 on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Anthony, I'd never seen the existence of that replica store in Iowa....pretty cool!<br />
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<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure, that I first saw it in the Winchester Collector, a few years ago, that Jenifer Gole did a story on, and  I just can't remember which issue it was in. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>I also thought it was pretty cool, and how this couple dedicated they're life's work and property to this adventure. Many don't realize how much Winchester was into so many household products, besides the firearms. More Winchester History.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2026 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, I'd never seen the existence of that replica store in Iowa....pretty cool!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2026 13:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony #5411 on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Phillip,</p>
<p>I wish I could be more help, as it's something that most of us probably haven't seen, but here's a place, in Spirit Lake, Iowa, that might be able to help you a little bit about it. You could also try Jennifer Gole who is on the WACA Board, and has dealt in a lot of Winchester accoutrements. </p>
<p><a href="https://thewinchesterstore.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://thewinchesterstore.com/</a></p>
<p>Good Luck in you're pursuit.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2026 12:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>PHENDRICKSON on Mark 5 electric motion display </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://imgur.com/a/akJ9CK8" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/a/akJ9CK8</a><img alt="Mark 5 electric motion display" src="https://i.imgur.com/UHGGIWi.jpg" width="384" height="512" /><img alt="Box" src="https://i.imgur.com/nXauM8n.jpg" width="384" height="512" /><img alt="Side view" src="https://i.imgur.com/RJPb2FY.jpg" width="384" height="512" /><img alt="Motor" src="https://i.imgur.com/VY9GqVa.jpg" width="384" height="512" /><img alt="Box Label" src="https://i.imgur.com/vYjEMvO.jpg" width="384" height="288" /><img alt="Instructions" src="https://i.imgur.com/yDanE75.jpg" width="384" height="288" /><img alt="Label" src="https://i.imgur.com/v1SXzqv.jpg" width="384" height="288" />I bought an estate and this Mark 5 motion display was in a closet. I can't find much information on it. I believe it was shipped out May of 1961 at the beginning of when Winchester started selling the Mark 5 ammo. I plugged the display in and it opens and closes as it should. <span style="background-color: inherit">I reached out to the museum in Cody Wyoming and they had never seen one nor could they find any information on it, they told me to try this. If someone could help me find out more information on it that would be great, thanks Phil[Image Can Not Be Found]</span></p>
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