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                    <title>Bert H. on American Pioneer Powder FFFG for 44-40</title>
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<p><strong>JF44 said </strong><br />
Good Afternoon All, Wondering if I can please receive some feedback on experiences with American Pioneer Powder FFFG for reloading 44-40 for antique Winchesters. If possible, also please let me know who is likely to have this item in stock. In general, I am looking for a black powder substitute that doesn’t run too hot and safely fills a case below a 200 grain bullet. Thank you.<br />
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<p>What are shooting it in? </p>
<p>I load all of my 44 WCF cartridges with 2400 powder... a lot easier to load, and very little cleaning effort required.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>RockyFord on American Pioneer Powder FFFG for 44-40</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I used to use cleanshot powder which is similar to APP if not the same as I remember. BP is measured by volume. You will have to have some type of measure like the LEE dippers. The rest will be by trial. You want the bullet to be seated on the powder and not compressing it. It will take some time. Also go to YouTube. Hope this helps some.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The price primers</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
More proof that the '06 is so flexible and useful it gets hard to defend another choice.  That looks like a serious dose of coyote medicine. <br />
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<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I load for my 30-06 rifles with many different recipes depending on my intended targets, and yes, it can be loaded for a very wide range of purposes.  In my rifle, the 57.5 grains of IMR 4064 launches the 40-grain V-Max @3,400 fps, and yes, it is serious Coyote medicine.  It would also be great for Antelope.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on The price primers</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was paying 90 to 99 plus 8.25% sales tax. The tab for Powder Valley's stuff incurs the same tax. The real add-on is the hazmat and UPS Ground or FEDEX Ground. One box of 1000 might ship Ground for 12 - 15 bucks plus $29 hazmat. Say 40-45 plus 55 .....</p>
<p>If you could order 4000 like I bought, the shipping wouldn't change much and the deal would improve. </p>
<p>But penny primers are gone for good. </p>
<p>Still, I think there's room for prices to fall if the price of oil will get down from current highs and various friendly foreign manufacturers continue opening ammo and component factories here. And Remington Ammunition is back on line. All their component runs are still feeding their cartridge production but that will soon catch up and they should be back in the component game as they once were. Vietnam taught ammo makers not to bet the ranch on government contracts. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 15:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on The price primers</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Powder Valley has 1000 ct. CCI on for $55 or $59 depending on size right now, but you add in shipping and hazmat, it gets less attractive.... </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 14:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on The price primers</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>More proof that the '06 is so flexible and useful it gets hard to defend another choice.  That looks like a serious dose of coyote medicine. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 12:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The price primers</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong></p>
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<p>Bert H. said<br />
$.08 - $.10/primer is standard these days.  I really wish that I had bought thousands more of them when they were still just $.01/ primer.  Fortunately, I still have 15K primers in my inventory (though I did use (40) more of my Remington No. 9 ½ primers last night reloading some 30-06 Varmint loads). My next big expenditure will be an 8 lb jug of IMR 4064... at 57.5 grains per cartridge, it does not take very long to empty a 1-lb container!<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>What bullet over the 57.5/4064?<br />
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<p>110 grain V-Max.</p>
<p>This is from my reloading data;</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="687" data-height="679" title="30-06-Load-data.jpg" alt="30-06-Load-data.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/09/30-06-Load-data.jpg" /></p>
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<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 02:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on The price primers</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong><br />
$.08 - $.10/primer is standard these days.  I really wish that I had bought thousands more of them when they were still just $.01/ primer.  Fortunately, I still have 15K primers in my inventory (though I did use (40) more of my Remington No. 9 ½ primers last night reloading some 30-06 Varmint loads). My next big expenditure will be an 8 lb jug of IMR 4064... at 57.5 grains per cartridge, it does not take very long to empty a 1-lb container!<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>What bullet over the 57.5/4064?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on The price primers</title>
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<p>steve004 said<br />
Bill -<br />
I like your attitude.  I'm hesitant to buy more than one green banana at once.<br />
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<p>I lost my best friend in 2004.  We were classmates,  hunting and camping partners for Decades. Odd thing was, I never shed a tear for him until I handed over his application for probate to the court clerk and mentioned to her how much I would miss him. That started the waterworks, to the extent it brought the judge out of his chambers. Grief is a funny thing and sometimes comes on cat feet. <br />
That is when I decided it didn't cost a nickel more to believe I was going to be a Centenarian, no matter how many friends fell off the twig. <br />
I expect to keep CCI in business until that hearse horse shows up to haul my bones away. <br />
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<p>Bill - Good for you.  I have been noticing you have clearly been walking the walk. I'll try to channel your inspiration.  I happen to be going to the grocery store in a few minutes - maybe I'll buy a bunch of green bananas.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 18:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on The price primers</title>
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<p><strong>steve004 said </strong><br />
Bill -<br />
I like your attitude.  I'm hesitant to buy more than one green banana at once.<br />
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<p>I lost my best friend in 2004.  We were classmates,  hunting and camping partners for Decades. Odd thing was, I never shed a tear for him until I handed over his application for probate to the court clerk and mentioned to her how much I would miss him. That started the waterworks, to the extent it brought the judge out of his chambers. Grief is a funny thing and sometimes comes on cat feet. </p>
<p>That is when I decided it didn't cost a nickel more to believe I was going to be a Centenarian, no matter how many friends fell off the twig. </p>
<p>I expect to keep CCI in business until that hearse horse shows up to haul my bones away. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on 32-40 Brass From 38-55</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I anneal almost weekly with a modern annealer.  You can’t find a modern video using modern equipment that shows the brass being quenched.  My cases drop into a stainless bowl to cool.  Some of the annealers use induction coils instead o a flame. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 15:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on The price primers</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The last 5-6 years has been rough just finding them.  I bought 1000 large rifle at a local gun shop 2 years ago.  The guy had pulled them out of his stock probably because he was making 10x on his $$$.  This spring was the first time I seen some on the shelves at the big stores in a long time </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 04:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on The price primers</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I went through a primer "shortage" over 30 years ago, as a pretty serious PPC (CF revolver game) competitor I was in serious trouble. I bought a S&#038;W 617 to practice with so I could continue to compete. I decided that would never happen again. I put a few away. Several years ago a buddy was short of SP primers. He's been in more than his share of shootings and I know he shoots more than his department allots him for practice. Gave him a thousand small pistol primers to tide him over during a primer shortage and refused payment. Told him to return them when things returned to "normal". A few months later he killed a fugitive in a dicey situation whole trying to serve a warrant for his arrest. In my small way, I'm glad I could help. I don't think we'll see "normal" again but I don't care. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 03:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The price primers</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>$.08 - $.10/primer is standard these days.  I really wish that I had bought thousands more of them when they were still just $.01/ primer.  Fortunately, I still have 15K primers in my inventory (though I did use (40) more of my Remington No. 9 ½ primers last night reloading some 30-06 Varmint loads). My next big expenditure will be an 8 lb jug of IMR 4064... at 57.5 grains per cartridge, it does not take very long to empty a 1-lb container! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 00:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on The price primers</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bill -</p>
<p>I like your attitude.  I'm hesitant to buy more than one green banana at once.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2026 23:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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