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                    <title>Bert H. on Unique powder</title>
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<strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Are you shooting that .38 Auto load in a Super?<br />
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<p>No I am not.  I am shooting it in my 1917 production Colt Model 1902 Military.  I do have a heavier (aftermarket) recoil spring in it though.  I installed heavier (Wilson Combat) flat wire recoil springs in nearly all of my semi-auto pistols. </p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="2348" data-height="1387" title="Colt-Model-1902-Military-001.jpg" alt="Colt-Model-1902-Military-001.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/Colt-Model-1902-Military-001.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2592" data-height="1386" title="Colt-Model-1902-Military-005.jpg" alt="Colt-Model-1902-Military-005.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/Colt-Model-1902-Military-005.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2193" data-height="1455" title="Colt-Model-1902-Military-007.jpg" alt="Colt-Model-1902-Military-007.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/Colt-Model-1902-Military-007.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2447" data-height="1437" title="Colt-Model-1902-Military-008.jpg" alt="Colt-Model-1902-Military-008.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/Colt-Model-1902-Military-008.jpg" /></p>
<p>The load I am using for it is .1 grain under the recommended starting load (per Lyman's 41st edition), and .5 grains under the Max suggested load.</p>
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<p>For my Colt 1911A1, I have a 19-lb spring in it versus the standard 16-lb.  It enables me to shoot P+ loads without harming the gun.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Nevada Paul on Unique powder</title>
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<p><strong>Chuck said </strong><br />
In P. O. Ackley's book on page 329 he shows a load for a 25-20 WCF with an 86 gr. bullet and 5.5 grs. of Unique for 1,795 fps.<br />
8.5 grs. of 4227 will get 1,400 fps.  10.5 grs. of 4227 he says will get you 1,725 fps.  He also shows 2 loads with a 60 gr. bullet but these he uses 2400, 11.5 gr for 2,200 fps. and 4227, 12.5 grs. for 2,150 fps. <br />
Start low and work up....<br />
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<p>Chuck, I have Ackley's volumes from way back in the day. Colorful and inventive guy, and interesting reading. But Ackley, much like Elmer Keith, seemed to have a bent to maximize velocity from every cartridge they encountered.   While that may be a worthwhile endeavor, it gave me great reluctance to jump into any of their loading data.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Are you shooting that .38 Auto load in a Super?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 17:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have not loaded anything with Unique in the past 35-years, but I do use a <em><strong>lot</strong></em> of Bullseye.  It excels in the short straight walled pistol cases, and a little goes a long way when is comes time to reload.</p>
<p>1. 9 MM - 115-gr ball with 5.0 grains</p>
<p>2. 38 ACP - 130-gr ball with 4.5 grains</p>
<p>3. 38 Spl - 158 SWC with 5.0 grains</p>
<p>4. 357 Mag - 125-gr JHP with 8.8 grains</p>
<p>5. 38 WCF - 180-gr XTP with 5.5 grains</p>
<p>6. 45 ACP - 230-gr ball with 5.5 grains.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 16:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I've been happy with my black powder sessions with the 1885. Last weekend, I cobbled together a drop tube. It really does make a difference in being able to fill the case with more powder. Hopefully, I will be able to make it to the range tomorrow and have some fun shooting.<img data-upload="1" data-width="4284" data-height="5712" title="unnamed.jpg" alt="unnamed.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/kevindpm61/2026/08/unnamed.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Unique powder</title>
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<p><strong>Nevada Paul said </strong><br />
I'd be very wary of Unique in any bottleneck case unless I found published and tested loading data. Even then, I don't think I ever have, or ever will, use any of the really fast powders (Unique, Bullseye, etc.) in any of my original Winchesters out of fear of a double charge.<br />
Paul<br />
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<p>A legitimate concern, Paul. But that's the reason I batch load anything that could get into my collectible guns. With an old fashioned loading tray and a flashlight to check powder levels all at once. A double charge of Bullseye can be hard to spot if you are looking at only one case. When examining 20 or so in the block, a  double charge of even a 3 grain load stands out. </p>
<p>I inherited a fine old Star progressive, modified to incorporate a Dillon case feeder and with dies for several calibers.</p>
<p>I load 38 Special and 357 magnum with it, using Bullseye and Power Pistol. But the only Winchester it goes in is a nifty, rice-powered 73 carbine.</p>
<p>Which, incidentally and contrary to rumor,  feeds flawlessly with either length round and even with a mixture of them in the tube. It makes a serious Redneck Assault Rifle. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 12:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>426crown on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the input, have updated my load data chart--Bill</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 12:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>dimrod on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Like Nevada Paul, I too am a little leery of using a fast burning powder like Unique in either 25-20 chambering. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 05:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The original post did not mention the 25-20 SS.  So I assumed he meant the WCF.  Whichever one he meant he now has a lot of data. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Unique powder</title>
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<strong>Chuck said </strong><br />
In P. O. Ackley's book on page 329 he shows a load for a 25-20 WCF with an 86 gr. bullet and 5.5 grs. of Unique for 1,795 fps.<br />
8.5 grs. of 4227 will get 1,400 fps.  10.5 grs. of 4227 he says will get you 1,725 fps.  He also shows 2 loads with a 60 gr. bullet but these he uses 2400, 11.5 gr for 2,200 fps. and 4227, 12.5 grs. for 2,150 fps. <br />
Start low and work up....<br />
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<p>Due to the significant difference in the case dimensions, what works well in the 25-20 WCF does not work as well in the 25-20 S.S.</p>
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<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2026 00:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>In P. O. Ackley's book on page 329 he shows a load for a 25-20 WCF with an <span style="text-decoration: underline">86 gr. bullet</span> and 5.5 grs. of Unique for 1,795 fps.</p>
<p>8.5 grs. of 4227 will get 1,400 fps.  10.5 grs. of 4227 he says will get you 1,725 fps.  He also shows 2 loads with a 60 gr. bullet but these he uses 2400, 11.5 gr for 2,200 fps. and 4227, 12.5 grs. for 2,150 fps. </p>
<p>Start low and work up....</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 19:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I've used Unique in the 44 WCF. I can't remember the load but is was around 8 grs. ??????  Very fast stuff..</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>John D. on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I've never used Unique, but do use 2400 under a Speer 75gr Hotpoint with great success at silhouette.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Nevada Paul on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'd be very wary of Unique in any bottleneck case unless I found published and tested loading data. Even then, I don't think I ever have, or ever will, use any of the really fast powders (Unique, Bullseye, etc.) in any of my original Winchesters out of fear of a double charge.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Unique powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I currently load my 25-20 S.S. cartridges with IMR 4198 or Lil'Gun powder.  In the past I loaded with A2400 and IMR 4227.</p>
<p>For the Hornady 60-gr JFP bullet, I load with 11.0 grains of IMR 4198 or 8.5 grains of Lil'Gun.</p>
<p>For the Sierra 70-gr JSP bullet, I load with 12.0 grains of IMR 4198 or 9.5 grains of Lil'Gun</p>
<p>I also have some 93-grain GC cast bullets that I have loaded using those same two powders.</p>
<p>For future reference;</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="538" data-height="848" title="25-20-S.S.-Reload-data.jpg" alt="25-20-S.S.-Reload-data.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/25-20-S.S.-Reload-data.jpg" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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