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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chuck</p>
<p>It was a moderately compressed load. I didn't take my chronograph with me today. This session was more about group size. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2026 20:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Nice group.  Was this a compressed load?  Any idea of the speed?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2026 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I finally made it to the range today to try out some of my BP loads for my 1885 Miroku Winchester. This load looks promising:</p>
<p>My cast 405 gr plain base gas-checked bullets, LBT white lube, over -power fiber card and 65 gr of Goex 3F powder. This target was from 50 yards with open sights. Obviously, I will need to adjust for elevation, but it looks promising.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2026 17:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Finally Got Some Time To Shoot</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I will preface this by saying that my range is my back yard, however setting everything up, shooting, adjusting sights and what have you, the wife was still upset when I came back to the house.  Point being, you can't win with a woman, so be happy with your guns.</p>
<p>I recently purchased a 2000s Miroukoo 1886 in 45-70 that I needed to shoot.   Last winter I bought a 1950 '94 in 25-35 that I installed a Lyman 66 receiver sight on.  My Savage 17HMR needed dialed back in, and the Savage 99E I bought last fall, I'd never confirmed zero on.  Also a Sauer SAA 22 Mag that needed some work, that turned into buying a parts pistol, then since I had all the parts, buying another broken one, that I repaired with leftovers, so I had a second in 22LR.  </p>
<p>Targets were at 30 yds and 130 yds.</p>
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<p>30Yd Target 1886 45-70</p>
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<p>130 Yd Target 1886 45-70</p>
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<p>30 Yd Target 1886 45-70 Subs</p>
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<p>It would be nice if someone could tell me how to use a Full Buckhorn Sight.  I'm not sure if I'm right, even after googling instructions.  With both sight pictures, I used a 6 O'clock hold.   At the 130 yd targets I also had a 12"x17" plate and an 8"x6".  I hit the small yellow plate 3 out of 4 with the Hornady. After shooting the subs on paper, I just shot the 12x17 for a good gong ring.</p>
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<p>45-70 Factory Ammo Used</p>
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<p>130 Yd Targets</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2026 04:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Engelmann on Vintage Brass Empty 12 Gauge Shells </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hello all! We recently inherited a large quantity (100+) of empty vintage 12 gauge brass shells. We understand they are memorabilia and are looking for who to contact to sell. Any suggestions? Thank you! </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I will make a note.. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2026 01:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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<strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
I do know what I'm going  to do if I'm still around whenever powder and primer prices inevitably dip down to whatever I perceive is the perigee of that market cycle. It won't ever likely be as low as it last was because there's a ratchet.<br />
However, we have new American and foreign manufacturers streaming in to build factories and those may come on line at a time when the country is no longer exporting ordnance at the current rate. Who knows but there's little new under the Sun and it has happened before, more than once. <br />
If it does, I will buy enough of my favorite powders to last until the most optimistic estimate of my personal sell-by date. Anything left over I'll instruct my executor to distribute among my shooting friends. Here's hoping the leftovers won't be enough to get excited about. <br />
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<p>I will take all of the IMR 4064 you can give me... I load 222 Rem Mag, 30-40 Krag, and 30-06 with it.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2026 16:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Zeb-</p>
<p>I haven't had to buy powder or primers in awhile but from what I have seen it's unlikely prices will get appreciably better any time soon. Best opportunities seem to be the "free haz-mat" or shipping and other promotions. I think getting a bit carried away restocking my powder and primer magazines awhile back may have been among my best investments of the time. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2026 15:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I do know what I'm going  to do if I'm still around whenever powder and primer prices inevitably dip down to whatever I perceive is the perigee of that market cycle. It won't ever likely be as low as it last was because there's a ratchet.</p>
<p>However, we have new American and foreign manufacturers streaming in to build factories and those may come on line at a time when the country is no longer exporting ordnance at the current rate. Who knows but there's little new under the Sun and it has happened before, more than once. </p>
<p>If it does, I will buy enough of my favorite powders to last until the most optimistic estimate of my personal sell-by date. Anything left over I'll instruct my executor to distribute among my shooting friends. Here's hoping the leftovers won't be enough to get excited about. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2026 04:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I don't know how many powders I have but my current smokeless powder needs could probably be met by Unique, any 4350, Rx7 or 3031, either 4198 and W231. I don't load any magnum handgun or rifle cartridges so won't need anything towards the slow end of the spectrum. Since I don't do artillery or flintlocks my Holy Black granulations are 1 1/2Fg, Cartridge, FFG and FFFg. I could get by just fine with FFg and FFFg. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2026 02:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I actually have 26 different powders in my inventory.  Not including the 4 types of black.  My previous list was just for the old Winchester calibers.  I'm low on 4064 but 4895, RL-15, Varget or VV N-150 will work in it's place. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2026 22:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong></p>
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
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If I had to do with only five powders, give me 4759, Unique, 3031, 4350, and H110/296. <br />
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<p>Interesting... my five powders would be 4198, Bullseye, 2400, 4064, and 4350.<br />
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<p>I'd try to squeeze 4064 in, somehow. And, since 4759 is no longer going to be made, I'd substitute RL-7 (or 5744 if AA ever makes it again.)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2026 22:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on 40 Ex</title>
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<strong><a href="mailto:fred.lasor@gmail.com" target="_blank">fred.lasor@gmail.com</a> said </strong><br />
Chuck:<br />
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I came late to this conversation, but skipped through the entire thread as I am interested in forming for, and shooting, large-bore cartridges.  One thing I don't see mentioned is making a cast of the chamber.  Perhaps I missed that, but did you try that?  It would have given you both the inside chamber diameter and case length.<br />
Also, did you anneal the cases before sizing them?  I have resized and re-profiled several large cases, and even with smaller cases, have found that annealing the brass makes the process a lot easier.  I make .32-40 cases out of .30-30 brass, and found that it was very difficult without annealing, but no problem after annealing.  I also made .50-100 brass out of .348 and had much better results after annealing that.  <br />
The last post I saw was the one about turning necks for a .284.  Will you be doing more with the .40, or have you gotten all the results you wanted?<br />
Thanks. <br />
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<p>I did not cast the chamber.  But when you fire form the brass this gives you the needed measurements the die makers want.  Case length is 3-1/4".  I have some original cartridges and the parent brass I was using is the same length. I also have 2 books that have all the cartridge dimensions. </p>
<p>I have an annealer and did use it some but when the brass gets soft it sometimes wrinkles more when I was forcing it through the holes I drilled in the sheet of aluminum.  Reducing the parent brass to the point I could get it into the chamber is the hardest part of the entire process.  I did ruin several pieces of brass while doing this. </p>
<p>If you read through the process you should know that Lee already made me a set of dies for the 45-125-300 EX.  I'm done with the 40 for now.  I am going to send some fire formed 38 EX brass to Lee Precision and have them make a 4 or 5 die set.  The 1 or 2 extra dies will be for reducing the parent brass so it can go into the full length sizing die.  I will send them the 40 EX after I get the 38 EX done.  I'm hoping the 38 EX reducing dies may work for the 40 EX too.  Lee wants me to send them the 38 EX in July or August when they are not so busy. </p>
<p>I am working on 2 other rifles right now and the 40 can wait for awhile.  61 pieces of Win 284 brass was neck turned so a loaded cartridge will chamber.  Then I fire formed it in the rifle to make it a Wildcat 284 Shehane.  The first firing straightens the case walls for more powder capacity.  The next firing will move the shoulder forward to determine where to set the headspace. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2026 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
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If I had to do with only five powders, give me 4759, Unique, 3031, 4350, and H110/296. <br />
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<p>Interesting... my five powders would be 4198, Bullseye, 2400, 4064, and 4350.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I still find it hard to believe they shanked 4759.  It produced some 250-3000 turkey loads for me so accurate I can't risk my reputation by telling you the group sizes. It was useful for so many things and non-finicky to boot. </p>
<p>If I had to do with only five powders, give me 4759, Unique, 3031, 4350, and H110/296. </p>
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