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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>So sad.</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kevin.  I am myself without a place to hunt and have been so for several years. As you probably know, there is almost no public land in Texas available for hunting.  There are some exceptions in the form of management hunts on State parks and wildlife management areas but those are on a drawn lottery basis and reserved to Texas residents only. They are not a major source of opportunities.</p>
<p>For the most part,  Texans have formed small groups and leased hunting rights for the year or the season. That is probably the main way Whitetail deer are hunted and year-long leases typically allow hunting wild turkey, hogs and doves, too.</p>
<p>It is not unusual for quail hunting rights to be leased separately and expensively. </p>
<p>Package hunts - usually guided - are increasingly common and unfortunately very costly. Particularly in areas like South Texas known for trophy animals. </p>
<p>I was priced out of the last all-year lease in the Rolling Plains region West of Ft Worth. The ranch owner originally wanted $1600 per hunter and I think there were eight of us. Then it stepped up each year to $2000, $2250, $2500, and then he asked for $3500. At which point I declined. Guests were allowed but it was a one-buck county, yours or his. Quail were excluded. It was excellent for doves, Rio Grande turkeys, hogs, and there were some big bodied Whitetails on the 2500 acres. </p>
<p>Hogs being the problem they are, some enterprising souls are offering weekend guided  hog hunts for several hundred bucks. I may try one of those. </p>
<p>Bottom line is,  I'm not sure what I'm going to do from now on, and at my age. I miss the camaraderie of my last lease partners and we still keep in touch. But Texas is fast becoming a place where middle-class hunting is disappearing. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2026 13:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Bill! I would be glad to send you some of my plain based aluminum gas-checked 405 gr bullets for reloading if you would be interested. Do you have a case mouth expander?</p>
<p>I would love to go on a boar hunt and see how my bullets perform. My brother recently moved down to Alabama. Since I'm restoring his 1967 Barracuda coupe, I think that he should arrange a hunt for me. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2026 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Good job, Zeb! The horror stories of barrel slugging haven't stopped me from slugging a few. I've used a 45-70 and a bit tougher bullet (at somewhat higher velocity) to cause some big piggies to transition to good piggies. A few were too big to provide decent table fare but some made the trip to my freezer. That Gould bullet should upset and transfer energy quite efficiently but I've always been a big meplat, hard alloy guy for the big bruisers.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 22:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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<strong>kevindpm61 said </strong></p>
<p>Bill, I tried various sizings during load development. .460 was what my rifle liked best. In general, you should size your lead bullets .001 - .002 over the bore size. Have you slugged your barrel?<br />
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<p>With Mike's over-the-phone help, I upset a Speer .490 lead ball to get a flat, lubricated the bore with R.I.G., used a Brownell rawhide mallet to drive the ball flush with the crown, then tapped it through the bore with a 3/8" oak dowel.</p>
<p>Across the grooves, I got .457 to .458 with a General Tool dial indicator.  I can't read the dial any closer than that and it's a 7 groove rifling. I had earlier spoken with Winchester Guns customer service and they advise their specification for groove diameter is .458. Interestingly they recommend .458 cast lead  projectile diameters and .456 for jacketed. </p>
<p>I miked Mike's 330 grain hollow points he cast for me and the one I checked came out .458 and a blonde hair. He ran them through a .459 sizer die but doesn't think the mold throws them that wide. </p>
<p>The rifle is a current production 45-90 Winchester Sporting Rifle, 24" heavy octagon barrel with 1-in-20 twist. About 9.5 pounds unloaded. Rifle buttplate. </p>
<p>I'm going to load a ladder of these in new Starline brass with RL-7, starting with 38 grains and increasing a half-grain at a time, up to 44 or 45 grains. Once I get an accurate load of 1300-1400 fs, it will be Miller time. </p>
<p>My goal is something that will convince a large and ugly boar hog to "join his ancestors with commendable rapidity" as the late, great Jack O'Connor once wrote.<img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="3d7800a1-4c12-4313-8e14-d492585069e1.jpg" alt="3d7800a1-4c12-4313-8e14-d492585069e1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/05/3d7800a1-4c12-4313-8e14-d492585069e1.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="bc2468a5-1091-408f-aad8-587a9dcca8ac.jpg" alt="bc2468a5-1091-408f-aad8-587a9dcca8ac.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/05/bc2468a5-1091-408f-aad8-587a9dcca8ac.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="20260507_131339.jpg" alt="20260507_131339.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/05/20260507_131339.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 20:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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<p><strong>TXGunNut said </strong><br />
Zeb-<br />
I used Powder Valley IIRC last time I purchased Holy Black. They generally sold in case quantities for shipping safety so a few orders has kept me well supplied for several years. BP doesn't last long when loading 45-90 and the like. <br />
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<p>OOPS! Powder Valley is out of BP!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 20:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Zeb-</p>
<p>I used Powder Valley IIRC last time I purchased Holy Black. They generally sold in case quantities for shipping safety so a few orders has kept me well supplied for several years. BP doesn't last long when loading 45-90 and the like. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 20:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tarbe308@yahoo.com on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
Steve,  I'm struggling with this editor for some reason. Thanks very much for your advice. I just got in Lyman's cast bullet handbook and am going to order the black powder book you suggest.<br />
I do have one question - where do you get black powder right now? Nobody local seems to have any? <br />
I just inherited a boatload of various canisters of smokeless and bought 3 pounds of RL-7, so I'm probably going to use up some of all that before trying the black stuff. But, in time, I've got to experience it.  <br />
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<p>I have been purchasing my powder from this company, as they seem to have the best selection in stock - Shop – All Powder Shop<br />
I just ordered another 4-lb jug of IMR 4198 from them.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Wow, some good prices on All Powder!  If they weren't personally recommended by a trusted source, I might have worried they were not legit!</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Rx7 = Reloder 7 ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm planning on doing the same with a 45-90-330.  I've been getting recipes for 45-70-400 but nothing so far for the former. </p>
<p>As soon as I find something and use it without parting my hair with the Winchester's hammer, I'll post it. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 16:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>426crown on Rx7 = Reloder 7 ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thinking of using Reloader 7 for the following</p>
<p>40-82-260</p>
<p>45-90-300</p>
<p>50-110-300</p>
<p>Using lead--what would be a safe starting load?  Bill</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Steve,  I'm struggling with this editor for some reason. Thanks very much for your advice. I just got in Lyman's cast bullet handbook and am going to order the black powder book you suggest.<br />
I do have one question - where do you get black powder right now? Nobody local seems to have any? <br />
I just inherited a boatload of various canisters of smokeless and bought 3 pounds of RL-7, so I'm probably going to use up some of all that before trying the black stuff. But, in time, I've got to experience it.  <br />
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<p>I have been purchasing my powder from this company, as they seem to have the best selection in stock - <a href="https://allpowdershop.com/shop/" target="_blank">Shop – All Powder Shop</a></p>
<p>I just ordered another 4-lb jug of IMR 4198 from them.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 15:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Steven Gabrielli on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looks like many websites have Swiss in stock, but the price is way up. Goex seems to be tougher to find.</p>
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                    <title>Steven Gabrielli on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I haven’t purchased black powder in many years. I have an ample supply but try buffalo arms. I believe they’re in stock now.</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Who Reloads 45-70 With Black Powder?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Steve,  I'm struggling with this editor for some reason. Thanks very much for your advice. I just got in Lyman's cast bullet handbook and am going to order the black powder book you suggest.</p>
<p>I do have one question - where do you get black powder right now? Nobody local seems to have any? </p>
<p>I just inherited a boatload of various canisters of smokeless and bought 3 pounds of RL-7, so I'm probably going to use up some of all that before trying the black stuff. But, in time, I've got to experience it.  </p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kevin. Yes, I'll be sure to post what I find. </p>
<p>I've been a handloader since about 1966, thanks to Lee Loaders, graduating to a Rockchucker and then some other stuff.</p>
<p>But I've never taken up bullet casting. A  good friend now suffering from Alzheimer's disease has recently gifted me his Star progressive loader with all sorts of accessories and enhancements.-- Jim was a talented mechanical engineer --and some bullet casting gear I'm going to explore. There is a small electric pot, some dies and handles, and a lubricator/sizer in pieces - a brand I'm not familiar with.  He was a Bullseye competitor, so his gear is oriented toward producing pistol ammo in quantity. </p>
<p>A long way of saying I'm going to give casting a try as time permits.</p>
<p>However, my office/hobby room/library is overflowing with unorganized equipment, books and supplies -- and I need to finish fabricating and installing a Craftsman-style wainscot and some cabinets for storage there.  The five glass-fronted bookcases I ordered are still in boxes, unassembled. The teepee is full. </p>
<p>At the moment, I'm working daily to finally re-organize my garage shop to the point I can see the top of my workbench and stop using my old Delta tablesaw for a work surface. </p>
<p>Why all the disarray?  A couple of years ago I broke a kneecap and couldn't climb stairs for sixteen months. Followed by a serious illness in the family (not me) that stopped everything for 18 months. </p>
<p>Life and age can get in the way of a serious handloader. But, as they say down in the swamps near my birthplace, "We's still grabblin' " </p>
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