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                    <title>TR on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>  I've always used 3031 in 45-90 1886's. I'm sure there are other powders that will work but I would not use 4895. I use it in modern guns like 270, 06, and  300HH. It is a lot of bang for an old black powder gun. T/R</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>CAUTION -  some of the numbered loads in the NRA chart are too hot for vintage arms. I've attached the text that classifies them. The first category is for trapdoors, the second for 1886s in good condition, and the third for intrepid owners of the Ruger #1 etc. <img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="20260623_152132.jpg" alt="20260623_152132.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/06/20260623_152132.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="20260623_152126.jpg" alt="20260623_152126.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/06/20260623_152126.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Nope, nothing else.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Bill.  As close as I can get with 4895 so far is a page out of the 1957 edition of the NRA book, <em>Handloading</em>, a copy of which I picked up at Half Price Books on Sunday.</p>
<p>It doesn't have a section on 45-90 but does have one on 45-70. I've attached a copy. </p>
<p>Note that the loads are for Dupont, not Hodgdon. In a minute I'll check Lyman's Cast Bullet volume and two of Venturino's books. If I find anything more, I'll send it. <img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="20260623_150228.jpg" alt="20260623_150228.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/06/20260623_150228.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>426crown on 45-90-300 lead</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi--anyone loading H4895? for 45-90  need a starting load--Thanks Bill</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 16:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on 40 Ex</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I shot the 40 EX on June 2nd.  I talked with a friend about the issues with cases #2 and #5 that were showing pressure.  He is way smarter than me.  I did find that the rims on these 2 cases were thicker and have less to no head space.</p>
<p>I also shot one of the cases that I messed up the mouth of the case.  I cut off the bad spot and loaded it the same as the other 5.  I used this as a fouler to warm up my barrel.  It was 61 degrees last time and 68 degrees this time.  No matter the powder you use it will get faster when the ambient temperature  gets hotter.  Some powders are more stable than others.  None are perfect.  A chronograph will prove that. </p>
<p>All cases were loaded with 31.5 grs. of IMR 4198. </p>
<p>Fouler - 1,473 Fps.</p>
<p>1 -        1,485 Fps.</p>
<p>2 -        1,454 Fps.  Did show the extractor marks. </p>
<p>3 -        1,536 Fps.   </p>
<p>4 -        1,503 Fps.</p>
<p>5-         1,493 Fps   Did show the extractor marks. </p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="4619" data-height="2018" title="40-EX-June-2.jpg" alt="40-EX-June-2.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/cwachter/2026/06/40-EX-June-2.jpg" /></p>
<p>I used the wad and toilet paper as before to keep the powder at the primer as best I could.  Here is a picture of a case, card and what is left of one piece of toilet paper. After rolling and sliding the TP into the case I cut off the excess.  As you can see the card is way smaller in diameter compared to the ID of the case where the powder is and the same for the toilet paper.  I am not trying to fill the case, just putting together a column that keeps the powder put. </p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="3035" data-height="2676" title="40-EX-Filler-Set-Up-e.jpg" alt="40-EX-Filler-Set-Up-e.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/cwachter/2026/06/40-EX-Filler-Set-Up-e.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2026 17:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Concur. All of my 250-3000 experience to date has been with a short-barreled bolt gun that delivered velocities well below 3K - but it regularly produced DRT Texas Whitetails. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>450 Fuller on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bill:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Especially in the African or W. Texas sun...</p>
<p>I have used the same 33-34 grs of 3031 with my 1954 99 EG. Accurate.</p>
<p>Nosler recommends 35 grs of 4895 for just over 3000 fps at 3020.</p>
<p>I am working also with the newer Accurate LT 30.</p>
<p>Its not necessary to push the 250-3000 too hard in the Savage 99. 3K is plenty enough for coyotes and Arizona whitetails.</p>
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<p>Ridge </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 16:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>We are fortunate to live in a time when really good chronographs are affordable. They won't give a direct indication of pressure but, if the recipe says X grains of a powder with Y bullet should get you Z foot.seconds of velocity -- and you are getting Z + 300 fs,  don't consider it a happy magical accident!  Back off the grains until you get the published velocity. </p>
<p>Of course, if you've worked up as you should,  you'll reach Z by titrating up to it and won't have to fire any blue pills that test your rifle's bolt strength. </p>
<p>One African PH, discussing dangerous game cartridges, said he would trade some velocity for easy bolt lift. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2026 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bo-</p>
<p>Most amusing part of the article is that Waters' 250 Savage project started out because of poor accuracy and he blamed the existing barrel. After a difficult barrel change it was discovered that the poor accuracy was due to the scope mount. I don't think his data are going to help Zeb much as the 1903 rifle had very little in common with Zeb's 99. I believe the barrel was shorter as well. The fact that he arrived at a very similar load to your load is actually quite remarkable.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2026 01:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 4198 powder</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My 8-lb jug of IMR 4198 landed on my porch 30-minutes ago <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /> Total cost with shipping &#038; Hazmat fee was $492.89.</p>
<p>I now have 10.5 lbs. of IMR 4198 and 2 lbs. of H4198 and should be set for at least the next several years of reloading and shooting.  Time to get busy reloading another 500-rounds of 222 Rem Mag.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2026 22:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bo, it could be a <em>short </em>chamber. At one point Ruger Model 77 barrels in 250 Savage -- including the one on my former 1985 77RSI -- were the minimum SAAMI length from the bottleneck forward. I didn't know that until I started reloading for it. Factory 100 grain Silvertip was fine.</p>
<p>I loaded up a ladder with Olin 760 ball and the lowest rung locked the bolt up to where I bruised my hand hammering to open it. Flattened, extruded primer and impressive recoil. </p>
<p>After that I became much more cautious about chamber dimensions and OAL. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2026 14:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bo Rich on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>TXGunNut,  I have always enjoyed Ken Water’s as a Writer.  I too have a copy of his Pet Loads book.  I think that we would agree that no matter what you are shooting. You should always work your load up.  I have shot guns in the same chambering , and one would show pressure much earlier then the other.  A example would be that I have two Model 88s chambered in . 243.  My one just can’t handle the loads that I can put through the other rifle?  Ken’s 1903, May of had a tight barrel, or the lead to the rifling may have been short.  Or, some other factor that could increase chamber pressure.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2026 13:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Zeb-</p>
<p>I just enjoyed Ken Waters' August 1995 article on the 250 Savage. His max load for an 87gr Sierra using IMR 3031 is 34grs (lining up nicely with Bo's experience) but he cautioned that his max loads were developed for a custom 1903 in a Mannlicher stock. He cautioned against using them in a lever gun so your plan to work up to 34 grains is sound, as always. Unless you have some VV N135 or RL-15 lying around the IMR 3031 seems to be a good choice. I don't know if you have Waters' Pet Loads in your library, the article made for interesting reading but I wish he had stumbled across a nice 99 to test loads in as I had no experience with this or any quarter bore. Let me know if you can't find his article, looking forward to spotting for you when you shoot this little rifle. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2026 23:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on 250-3000 Savage 87 grain bullet recipe?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bo, That sounds like what I'm looking for. Thanks a bunch and I will follow up on the recipe. I'm working with a 1947 99EG,  which has a 24" 1-14 barrel. I just want to replicate factory velocities with rear-locking lever gun pressures. I'll work up a ladder and report back.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2026 22:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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