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                    <title>JWA on Unmarked see through scope base</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks for purchasing and reading my books!</p>
<p>There were 9 front and 9 rear bases produced by Winchester, they were identified (but not always marked) #1-#9.  The only bases that were grooved for "see-through" were the #3 front, #4 front, #5 front, #3 rear, #4 rear and #5 rear, all the rest were standard flat-top bases.</p>
<p>If you are absolutely sure the front base is the same height as the rear #5 base then it is a #5 front.  The base height is what dictates the base number.  If they are <span style="text-decoration: underline">both</span> #5 bases then, with the 5X scope, that setup is correct for the Model <strong>61</strong>, Model <strong>63</strong> and Model <strong>67</strong> rifles equipped from the factory with 5X scopes.</p>
<p>There were at least <strong>38 different</strong> scope base configurations on <strong>12+ different Winchester .22 models</strong>, that is why I didn't clutter up the Model 69 and 75 books with all of them, I only included the bases and combinations pertinent to those models.  It will be the similar in the upcoming Model 72 book.</p>
<p>If there is enough interest I can do an article in the Winchester Collector magazine to identify all of the variations/combinations in an easy to read chart.  The Winchester Collector magazine is one of the best perks of being a WACA member.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 04:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Realblag on Unmarked see through scope base</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I recently purchased a 5x scope that included front and rear see through bases. The rear base is stamped #5 and measures as such. The front has no markings. It is the same height as the #5 rear.<br />
I searched around the webs a bit and can’t find a list of the scope bases produced for the 2-3/4x, 5x, and 8x scopes. I have JWA’s books and see the ones he has listed there. Can someone point me in the direction of a table or list of all the bases and which rifles they work with? </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 02:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BillWyo on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>My thanks to all! You have been a great help.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 01:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Blue Ridge Parson on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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<p><strong>BillWyo said </strong><br />
Thank you so much to both you and Blue Ridge Parson for sharing your time and knowledge. Your insights have given me a whole new appreciation for the newest addition to my growing Winchester and Colt rifle collection. </p>
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<p>I'm glad to be able to help.  Enjoy that fine Model 75!</p>
<p>BRP</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 01:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>JWA on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Some of mine like Wolf Match also.  They are kind of quirky, I have quite a few and they all seem to prefer different flavors of ammo.</p>
<p>Have fun!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 00:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BillWyo on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, will do, hope they are all in the same hole...LOL. I was looking at SK-Standard + ammo.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 23:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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<p><strong>BillWyo said </strong><br />
Thank you so much to both you and Blue Ridge Parson for sharing your time and knowledge. Your insights have given me a whole new appreciation for the newest addition to my growing Winchester and Colt rifle collection. I just bought the rifle yesterday and can’t wait for it to arrive so I can take it to the shooting range! For reference, the Winchester Collectors Association places the manufacture date of my rifle (Serial Number 16947) in 1939.<br />
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<p>Nice score! Looking forward to a range report. As you may know this rifle will probably prefer standard (NOT high) velocity target ammo. Very cool sight package. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>JWA on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The newly numbered receiver would have had to make it through the assembly process rather quickly, but it is possible.  In 1939 Winchester was averaging over 1,000 Model 75 rifles per month.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BillWyo on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That's great, so mine could have been a Christmas rifle.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>JWA on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The WACA date lookup tables are the most accurate online and the 75 tables are based on the polishing room information so if our WACA site says "1939" then that is what it is.  You have a second year of production rifle and yours was in the polishing room near the end of 1939.</p>
<p>Congrats on your purchase, they are accurate rifles.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BillWyo on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much to both you and Blue Ridge Parson for sharing your time and knowledge. Your insights have given me a whole new appreciation for the newest addition to my growing Winchester and Colt rifle collection. I just bought the rifle yesterday and can’t wait for it to arrive so I can take it to the shooting range! For reference, the Winchester Collectors Association places the manufacture date of my rifle (Serial Number 16947) in 1939.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 21:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>JWA on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>There were three different eras of the G7501R and the sights changed for each era.  The 99A with the 84A receiver sight was the first era of the G7501R and most were pre-WWII.  </p>
<p>You can get a letter from Pauline Muerrle who has the polishing room records for the 75 and it will tell you the date of manufacture (week/month/year) but there are no warehouse records available to give you the exact configuration of sights as shipped.</p>
<p>To answer your other question, there are no specific records covering the exact number of the early G7501R rifles with your sight package produced but we can make a pretty good educated guess based on some of the known data.  I will walk you through it at a high level so you can get a feel for the quantity.</p>
<p>The last "pre-WWII" serial number recorded in the polishing room records was 45365.  Of that number approximately 10,000 +/- were the G7505R government contract rifles with a different sight package.  The pre-war Model 75 Sporting rifles made up approximately 20% of that remaining number and the G7501R made up approximately 70% of the remainder from that, so the number you are looking for is roughly (45,365 - ≈10,000) x .8 x .7 = ≈<strong>19,804</strong> pre-war Model 75 rifles in the G7501R sight configuration like yours.  The G7501R was the most common variant of the Model 75 Target.  </p>
<p>Let us know if you have any other questions.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 20:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BillWyo on Need help to ID. sights package on Model 75 from 1939</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I have The Winchester Model 75 – Diversity in Design, on my list to get. Wish I can't get a Winchester letter for this rifle. Where there a lot of Model 75 Target's made with this configurations? <img data-upload="1" data-width="1209" data-height="700" title="usedgun_101585852_main.jpg" alt="usedgun_101585852_main.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/billwyo/2026/09/usedgun_101585852_main.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1209" data-height="700" title="usedgun_101585852_alt4.jpg" alt="usedgun_101585852_alt4.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/billwyo/2026/09/usedgun_101585852_alt4.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 20:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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<strong>BillWyo said </strong><br />
Thank you. I was also thinking that, but I ran into a book which had a reference that seemed to say that Winchester branded that sight package as their sight but in fact it was a Wittek-Vaver G7527R match package. Not sure of this reference??? Would that be correct?<br />
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<p>Hi BillWyo,</p>
<p>Thanks for the good, clear pictures - makes our job easy!</p>
<p>Blue Ridge Parson is exactly correct, your rifle (as configured) is a G7501R with the Winchester manufactured 84A Rear Extension Sight (which is wearing a Marble-Goss aperture) and the Winchester manufactured 99A front sight.</p>
<p>The Winchester catalog number G7527R you mentioned came equipped with the Vaver 3875 rear sight and the Vaver 1175 front sight which is not what you have.</p>
<p>The sight packages for the Model 75 were numerous and confusing so it is possible you misinterpreted the book or it is in error.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>P.S. In the future, the most current reference book on the Model 75 specifically is "<strong><em>The Winchester Model 75 - Diversity in Design</em></strong>" published in 2025</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 18:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I was also thinking that, but I ran into a book which had a reference that seemed to say that Winchester branded that sight package as their sight but in fact it was a Wittek-Vaver G7527R match package. Not sure of this reference??? Would that be correct?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 18:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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