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                    <title>Ben on Model 52</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm always looking for unique Winchester 52's...</p>
<p>Here's a Griffin &#038; Howe custom and another custom from the 1930's... they have been previously discussed in this forum, but I still can't believe I own them... 🙂<img data-upload="1" data-width="2856" data-height="2142" title="ezJamo1.jpg" alt="ezJamo1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/ben-tolson/2026/06/ezJamo1.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="2205" data-height="2027" title="0CkLpPX.jpg" alt="0CkLpPX.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/ben-tolson/2026/06/0CkLpPX.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1466" data-height="2138" title="CkLXZNQ.jpg" alt="CkLXZNQ.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/ben-tolson/2026/06/CkLXZNQ.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4284" data-height="5712" title="Gf8qHuL.jpg" alt="Gf8qHuL.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/ben-tolson/2026/06/Gf8qHuL.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4284" data-height="5712" title="nTyz4lu.jpg" alt="nTyz4lu.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/ben-tolson/2026/06/nTyz4lu.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MFoster on Model 52</title>
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<p><strong>Ben said </strong><br />
If it does turn out to be serial number 13, it should be able to be traced.  Seewin (resident 52 guru &#038; all around good guy) should be along shortly to fill in the blanks.  JWA is also well versed in these as well.  My 2 cents... as long as the barreled action hasn't been modified, cut, re-blued or violated in some nefarious way, pursue it.. don't hesitate...get your wallet out and buy it.  Congratultions in advance... we still want pics...  Cheers.  Ben<br />
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<p>It has been purchased, awaiting its arrival.  I will post pics and look for any advice to try to figure out the history of the rifle.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 03:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on Model 52</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>If it does turn out to be serial number 13, it should be able to be traced.  Seewin (resident 52 guru &#038; all around good guy) should be along shortly to fill in the blanks.  JWA is also well versed in these as well.  My 2 cents... as long as the barreled action hasn't been modified, cut, re-blued or violated in some nefarious way, pursue it.. don't hesitate...get your wallet out and buy it.  Congratultions in advance... we still want pics...  Cheers.  Ben</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 03:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MFoster on Model 52</title>
                    <link>https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-22-rim-fire/model-52-3/#p180322</link>
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<p><strong>TXGunNut said </strong><br />
Michael-<br />
There's a good possibility this rifle has a custom stock, not unusual for a match rifle. Without factory records or provenance this will be what we call a "story" rifle. Wise collectors will advise you to buy the rifle, not the story. Speculation is worth little to a serious collector. OTOH if someone spent the money on a custom stock I'm betting it's a very good shooter. This may be your best opportunity to chase down or request provenance. What are your plans or expectations for this rifle?<br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>No expectations, plan to just add it to the collection.  The only facts I do have about the rifle are the deluxe stock, scope etc.  The rifle unfortunately doesn’t have a passed down story, or any additional information attached to this rifle. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 02:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Model 52</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Michael-</p>
<p>There's a good possibility this rifle has a custom stock, not unusual for a match rifle. Without factory records or provenance this will be what we call a "story" rifle. Wise collectors will advise you to buy the rifle, not the story. Speculation is worth little to a serious collector. OTOH if someone spent the money on a custom stock I'm betting it's a very good shooter. This may be your best opportunity to chase down or request provenance. What are your plans or expectations for this rifle?</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MFoster on Model 52</title>
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<p><strong>Ben said </strong><br />
Pics are important... <br />
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<p>Yeah I know, unfortunately I don’t have the rifle in possession just yet.   I have contacted the Cody museum about the rifle and they stated they don’t have records on the early 52’s.  When I mentioned the rifle has the a-5 scope, deluxe stock checkering ect the individual I was speaking with stated those were unusual additions and gave me an email to someone who may be able to provide some info.  I haven’t contacted that person yet, waiting to get possession so I can take photos. I am looking to see if anyone here would know how best to tell if the additions that are on the rifle could have been factory additions or aftermarket.  I do know that the first 12 rifles were given to the US Dewar Team to compete with at the shooting match in Caldwell New Jersey in August 1919.  This would make 13 the next one out of the factory.  I have had some speculate that this could have also been an upgraded rifle for a special order or a Winchester executive,  but this is just speculation and have not been able to find any evidence to support this claim.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2026 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on Model 52</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Pics are important... </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2026 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MFoster on Model 52</title>
                    <link>https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-22-rim-fire/model-52-3/#p180288</link>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looking for information on a model 52, serial number 13.  28 inch barrel, barrel stamped patent applied for as well as 22 long R.  Has an a-5 scope mounted as well as hooded front sight and ladder type rear sight. Has a deluxe walnut stock with checked pistol grip and forend.  Has a horn pistol grip and schnabel forend and a Winchester steel buttplate with trap. Comb has been modified to raise the cheek,  the addition matches very well to the stock.  Optics are clear and bore is excellent.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on Last Two .22's From The Estate... </title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong><br />
Very nice pair... I have a Model 1890 and 1906 pair, but do not have a Model 61 &#038; 62 pair (yet).  I am working on finding a decent Model 61 22 WMR.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>I'm confident opportunities will abound at Cody.... 🙂</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 18:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Last Two .22's From The Estate... </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Very nice pair... I have a Model 1890 and 1906 pair, but do not have a Model 61 &#038; 62 pair (yet).  I am working on finding a decent Model 61 22 WMR.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 01:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on Last Two .22's From The Estate... </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was informed that the estate has been "closed"... these were the last two items that were brought to the store.  So, I had to buy them to keep the "family" together. 🙂</p>
<p>1960 Win 61 &#038; 1957 62A.... both in very nice condition... </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 01:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on My recent 1890 addiction is getting obsessive...</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong></p>
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<p>Bert H. said </p>
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
Ben,  the " Browning Bros" marking and the good bore in an early rimfire are well worth the money you paid for that one!<br />
Unless somebody knows something I don't know or the serial indicates a d.o.m. too late for the proposition, this rifle was likely part of the payment to Browning for one of the designs he sold to Winchester, although not necessarily for the Model 1890 design rights.<br />
My understanding was Winchester paid Browning Bros for design rights with a combination of cash and merchandise, the latter of which was then taken into inventory and sold at retail by Browning Bros at their Ogden store. <br />
Your rifle really brings that history to life. <br />
Congratulations. <br />
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<p>It is indeed a "patent" payment rifle.  I have (3) Single Shot rifles and (1) Model 1873 rifle with the similar marking.  The early Winchester patent payment guns were marked "U.T." for Utah Territory.<br />
After Utah became a state (in January 1896), the Browning brothers removed the "T." from the stamp;<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Bert,  Because you have a patent payment Model 1873,  would it be correct to say patent payment arms consisted of whatever Winchester models Browning Bros. wanted for inventory at the time? That is, there was no correlation between the models ordered as partial payment and the  model patented for which  the payment was due.<br />
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<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Yes, that is true.  The Browning Brothers undoubtedly provided Winchester with a list of the Models they wanted and how many.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2026 05:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on My recent 1890 addiction is getting obsessive...</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong></p>
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<p>Zebulon said<br />
Ben,  the " Browning Bros" marking and the good bore in an early rimfire are well worth the money you paid for that one!<br />
Unless somebody knows something I don't know or the serial indicates a d.o.m. too late for the proposition, this rifle was likely part of the payment to Browning for one of the designs he sold to Winchester, although not necessarily for the Model 1890 design rights.<br />
My understanding was Winchester paid Browning Bros for design rights with a combination of cash and merchandise, the latter of which was then taken into inventory and sold at retail by Browning Bros at their Ogden store. <br />
Your rifle really brings that history to life. <br />
Congratulations. <br />
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<p>It is indeed a "patent" payment rifle.  I have (3) Single Shot rifles and (1) Model 1873 rifle with the similar marking.  The early Winchester patent payment guns were marked "U.T." for Utah Territory.</p>
<p>After Utah became a state (in January 1896), the Browning brothers removed the "T." from the stamp;</p>
<p>Bert<br />
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<p>Bert,  Because you have a patent payment Model 1873,  would it be correct to say patent payment arms consisted of whatever Winchester models Browning Bros. wanted for inventory at the time? That is, there was no correlation between the models ordered as partial payment and the  model patented for which  the payment was due.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2026 02:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on My recent 1890 addiction is getting obsessive...</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Ben-</p>
<p>Since you seem to be on an 1890 binge be sure to see me about an 1890 in WRF in Cody.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on My recent 1890 addiction is getting obsessive...</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Ben,  the " Browning Bros" marking and the good bore in an early rimfire are well worth the money you paid for that one!<br />
Unless somebody knows something I don't know or the serial indicates a d.o.m. too late for the proposition, this rifle was likely part of the payment to Browning for one of the designs he sold to Winchester, although not necessarily for the Model 1890 design rights.<br />
My understanding was Winchester paid Browning Bros for design rights with a combination of cash and merchandise, the latter of which was then taken into inventory and sold at retail by Browning Bros at their Ogden store. <br />
Your rifle really brings that history to life. <br />
Congratulations. <br />
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<p>It is indeed a "patent" payment rifle.  I have (3) Single Shot rifles and (1) Model 1873 rifle with the similar marking.  The early Winchester patent payment guns were marked "U.T." for Utah Territory.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="2592" data-height="812" title="Browning-stamp-2.jpeg" alt="Browning-stamp-2.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/06/Browning-stamp-2.jpeg" /></p>
<p>After Utah became a state (in January 1896), the Browning brothers removed the "T." from the stamp;</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="2626" data-height="1012" title="Browning-Bros.-marking-close-up.jpg" alt="Browning-Bros.-marking-close-up.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/06/Browning-Bros.-marking-close-up.jpg" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 21:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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