EWMN said

EWMN said

Zebulon said
If possible, adopt a hardnose attitude now rather than down the road: Don't buy a gun with problems because it looks like a bargain. Wait until a problem-free one comes along. You will not keep the problem gun forever and it will then be a real chore to sell it - probably at a loss. They are just a bad deal and the discipline will save you money and serve you well over time.
You can imagine how I came to learn this. 
  

I am no expert thats for sure. I have been around firearms my whole life. Between my dad, brother and I, we have just about everything between a bb gun and a 460 weatherby. I can't help myself sometimes though. I don't even really like 9mm and yet somehow I think I have 5 or 6 of them. Or awhile back at the gs my girlfriend baby seen a little 25 gt-27., yep she bought it...100 American dollars. Why not, I happen too have a box of 25 might as well have a pistol to go with the box of shells. Just last Saturday I bought another 25 at a garage sale for $20 dollars. (It needs a hammer spring and magazine release button) about 25 dollars for parts w/shipping. We actually shot the little 25 that baby bought over the past weekend. Really a fun little gun. I am always learning and try to not get burned. Here's the little 25s. The one in pieces for cleaning is the garage sale 25.
  

And like i said, sometimes baby and I go to gun shows and im always looking for a nice antique Winchester model 1894 chambered 38-55. But then I see this and always wanted one and puff there goes my 1894 money, not like there was one too be had at the gs that day. Box is battered up a bit, target and most of papers are missing. But the pistol is nice. Hadn't been shot in awhile, owner claimed he owned it 10 years and never fired it, ower also claimed the person he purchased it from claimed it was never fired ???.  Definitely some minor handling marks. And it actually appeared to have the factory dried grease.
  

That's a great find!  Those are works of art, can't have too many.

EWMN said

Zebulon said
If possible, adopt a hardnose attitude now rather than down the road: Don't buy a gun with problems because it looks like a bargain. Wait until a problem-free one comes along. You will not keep the problem gun forever and it will then be a real chore to sell it - probably at a loss. They are just a bad deal and the discipline will save you money and serve you well over time.
You can imagine how I came to learn this. 
  

I am no expert thats for sure. I have been around firearms my whole life. Between my dad, brother and I, we have just about everything between a bb gun and a 460 weatherby. I can't help myself sometimes though. I don't even really like 9mm and yet somehow I think I have 5 or 6 of them. Or awhile back at the gs my girlfriend baby seen a little 25 gt-27., yep she bought it...100 American dollars. Why not, I happen too have a box of 25 might as well have a pistol to go with the box of shells. Just last Saturday I bought another 25 at a garage sale for $20 dollars. (It needs a hammer spring and magazine release button) about 25 dollars for parts w/shipping. We actually shot the little 25 that baby bought over the past weekend. Really a fun little gun. I am always learning and try to not get burned. Here's the little 25s. The one in pieces for cleaning is the garage sale 25.
  

And like i said, sometimes baby and I go to gun shows and im always looking for a nice antique Winchester model 1894 chambered 38-55. But then I see this and always wanted one and puff there goes my 1894 money, not like there was one too be had at the gs that day. Box is battered up a bit, target and most of papers are missing. But the pistol is nice. Hadn't been shot in awhile, owner claimed he owned it 10 years and never fired it, ower also claimed the person he purchased it from claimed it was never fired ???.  Definitely some minor handling marks. And it actually appeared to have the factory dried grease.

EWMN said

Zebulon said
If possible, adopt a hardnose attitude now rather than down the road: Don't buy a gun with problems because it looks like a bargain. Wait until a problem-free one comes along. You will not keep the problem gun forever and it will then be a real chore to sell it - probably at a loss. They are just a bad deal and the discipline will save you money and serve you well over time.
You can imagine how I came to learn this. 
  

I am no expert thats for sure. I have been around firearms my whole life. Between my dad, brother and I, we have just about everything between a bb gun and a 460 weatherby. I can't help myself sometimes though. I don't even really like 9mm and yet somehow I think I have 5 or 6 of them. Or awhile back at the gs my girlfriend baby seen a little 25 gt-27., yep she bought it...100 American dollars. Why not, I happen too have a box of 25 might as well have a pistol to go with the box of shells. Just last Saturday I bought another 25 at a garage sale for $20 dollars. (It needs a hammer spring and magazine release button) about 25 dollars for parts w/shipping. We actually shot the little 25 that baby bought over the past weekend. Really a fun little gun. I am always learning and try to not get burned. Here's the little 25s. The one in pieces for cleaning is the garage sale 25.
  

Im always a sucker for a old 22 also. Im not even sure how many we have, 20 maybe 30 ? Love it.. Just can't help myself. But no doubt this amateur has so much too learn and thats why I'll probably be a life long member of this great forum. 

Zebulon said
If possible, adopt a hardnose attitude now rather than down the road: Don't buy a gun with problems because it looks like a bargain. Wait until a problem-free one comes along. You will not keep the problem gun forever and it will then be a real chore to sell it - probably at a loss. They are just a bad deal and the discipline will save you money and serve you well over time.
You can imagine how I came to learn this. 
  

I am no expert thats for sure. I have been around firearms my whole life. Between my dad, brother and I, we have just about everything between a bb gun and a 460 weatherby. I can't help myself sometimes though. I don't even really like 9mm and yet somehow I think I have 5 or 6 of them. Or awhile back at the gs my girlfriend baby seen a little 25 gt-27., yep she bought it...100 American dollars. Why not, I happen too have a box of 25 might as well have a pistol to go with the box of shells. Just last Saturday I bought another 25 at a garage sale for $20 dollars. (It needs a hammer spring and magazine release button) about 25 dollars for parts w/shipping. We actually shot the little 25 that baby bought over the past weekend. Really a fun little gun. I am always learning and try to not get burned. Here's the little 25s. The one in pieces for cleaning is the garage sale 25.

Saves a lot of aggravation also!

Tony

You can imagine how I came to learn this. 

Zebulon said
The Model 100 in 308 WCF is the least expensive of the chamberings and better, in my opinion, than the 243 version. The 284 version is too rare and expensive. It was never available in 358, for which it would have been ideal. I had a Model 100/308 for a time and the gas action attenuates recoil to a very comfortable degree. A Weaver K3 or K4 would certainly be correct for it. In the alternative, a Sixties Redfield 4 power would look good. 
The Model 100 shared the same minor defect of the early Browning BAR, the lack of a last shot hold-open device and a bolt release button. 
  

If and when I find one it will be in 308. I passed on one at the GS a few months ago, it was a little rough around the edges. i also passed on a early model 1907, it was drilled. Too bad, it was otherwise a decent rifle. My brother has a newer bar, maybe 20 years ago when he bought it. Its in 30-06.

The Model 100 shared the same minor defect of the early Browning BAR, the lack of a last shot hold-open device and a bolt release button. 

Bert H. said

Zebulon said
At a guess,  Bert's K6 is a series D scope and so marked. I remember looking through a new K6 at McBrides and thinking maybe I should get it. There was a price bump from the K4 and the abandoned farm property I was allowed to hunt on could be still-hunted, so I opted for the K4. 
Of course, I could have just pulled the scope off while ground stalking. The Weaver mount system was quite good about returning to zero. I didn't know that at the time. 
  

It is actually a "60-B" (when Weaver first began manufacturing the anti-fogging nitrogen filled scopes).  It has very clear optics, and iit is perfectly suited to both the 22 WMR and 22 Hornets that I like so much.
The 60-B was first offered in 1960 and was replaced by the 60-C in 1965.  Because my Model 61 is a 1960 production riffle, I specifically chose the K6 60-B as the scope to put on it.
Bert
  

Bert H. said

Zebulon said
At a guess,  Bert's K6 is a series D scope and so marked. I remember looking through a new K6 at McBrides and thinking maybe I should get it. There was a price bump from the K4 and the abandoned farm property I was allowed to hunt on could be still-hunted, so I opted for the K4. 
Of course, I could have just pulled the scope off while ground stalking. The Weaver mount system was quite good about returning to zero. I didn't know that at the time. 
  

It is actually a "60-B" (when Weaver first began manufacturing the anti-fogging nitrogen filled scopes).  It has very clear optics, and iit is perfectly suited to both the 22 WMR and 22 Hornets that I like so much.
The 60-B was first offered in 1960 and was replaced by the 60-C in 1965.  Because my Model 61 is a 1960 production riffle, I specifically chose the K6 60-B as the scope to put on it.
Bert
  

It’s my understanding the “B” in the “60-B” denotes a “constantly centered reticle”.

Zebulon said
In checking Weaver's El Paso literature of the mid-Fifties and Sixties,  Bert is correct that the 60 series scopes were dry Nitrogen filled and sealed. 
I can only conclude that a curious classmate of mine who borrowed my 1966 K4 scoped carbine became over- aggressive in adjusting the ocular bell to his eyesight and fractured the O-ring seal enough to release Nitrogen and admit ambient air. He wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, although he returned the gun clean and unmarred. Gone down the long trail by now, I expect. A small mystery solved after 60 years. 
I think a K6 is about perfect for a WMR or a Hornet - it gets all the range available from either cartridge. My Hornet wears a 1.75x to 6x 36mm objective variable and it pretty much stays at 6. 
  

Im thinking when money allows and if I find a nice pre 64 Winnie model 100,  a k-4 would be a good choice for period correct optics. But their are a couple others on my hit list ahead of a Model 100. 

EWMN said

EWMN said

Zebulon said
The K series Weaver scopes all had one inch tubes. The J series were smaller. They were all built in America with steel tubes but were not sealed and filled with inert gas, which made them liable to fogging in some weather conditions. 
The K4 was by far the most popular. 
What many younger folk don't realize is the impact of the Weaver post-WWII K series on the centerfire rifle market. Before Bill Weaver,  a 4X hunting scope was as costly as many popular big game rifles. When the K4 became available, there was a consequent push for scope friendly rifles. Winchester was slow to recognize this and lost market share to Marlin because the 336 came drilled and tapped for a top mount. The Savage 99 had a similar advantage as did the 740 and 760 Remington rifles. 
In 1966, my first deer rifle was a Remington 600 carbine in 6mm Remington caliber. It cost me $99 USD. McBride's mounted a new K-4 in Weaver rings and bases and bore-sighted the rifle, all for $40. Check the 1966 price of a Leupold & Stevens, Redfield, or Bausch & Lomb four power scopes, and a set of Buehler-style rings and bases. The K-4  was a watershed product. 
The K-6 was just as nice and was the most middle distance varmint scope you could buy for the money. Nothing else was even close. 
  

Thank you sir for sharing knowledge. It got me wondering about when I first started deer hunting. My pal-pal, dad and uncle Wiford all were using Remington 742s that they purchased in the mid to late 60s. Pretty sure they all had Weavers and im guessing k-4s. My dad has pal-pals rifle I'll get a good look at it next time I'm over there. But im more interested in looking at his beautiful browning 243 purchased new in 1964 /65. Its mounted w/ a 3x9 Redfield mounted at time of rifle purchase. I believe that ol' 243 has a sako action.
  

My fir deer rifle was a Marlin 336 purchased  new in i believe 1979, I was 8. I got a Winchester model 70 ranger in 30-06. Still have both.
  

I actually got my ranger when I was 15 and the marlin got retired for the most part.

I can only conclude that a curious classmate of mine who borrowed my 1966 K4 scoped carbine became over- aggressive in adjusting the ocular bell to his eyesight and fractured the O-ring seal enough to release Nitrogen and admit ambient air. He wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, although he returned the gun clean and unmarred. Gone down the long trail by now, I expect. A small mystery solved after 60 years. 

I think a K6 is about perfect for a WMR or a Hornet - it gets all the range available from either cartridge. My Hornet wears a 1.75x to 6x 36mm objective variable and it pretty much stays at 6. 

EWMN said

Zebulon said
The K series Weaver scopes all had one inch tubes. The J series were smaller. They were all built in America with steel tubes but were not sealed and filled with inert gas, which made them liable to fogging in some weather conditions. 
The K4 was by far the most popular. 
What many younger folk don't realize is the impact of the Weaver post-WWII K series on the centerfire rifle market. Before Bill Weaver,  a 4X hunting scope was as costly as many popular big game rifles. When the K4 became available, there was a consequent push for scope friendly rifles. Winchester was slow to recognize this and lost market share to Marlin because the 336 came drilled and tapped for a top mount. The Savage 99 had a similar advantage as did the 740 and 760 Remington rifles. 
In 1966, my first deer rifle was a Remington 600 carbine in 6mm Remington caliber. It cost me $99 USD. McBride's mounted a new K-4 in Weaver rings and bases and bore-sighted the rifle, all for $40. Check the 1966 price of a Leupold & Stevens, Redfield, or Bausch & Lomb four power scopes, and a set of Buehler-style rings and bases. The K-4  was a watershed product. 
The K-6 was just as nice and was the most middle distance varmint scope you could buy for the money. Nothing else was even close. 
  

Thank you sir for sharing knowledge. It got me wondering about when I first started deer hunting. My pal-pal, dad and uncle Wiford all were using Remington 742s that they purchased in the mid to late 60s. Pretty sure they all had Weavers and im guessing k-4s. My dad has pal-pals rifle I'll get a good look at it next time I'm over there. But im more interested in looking at his beautiful browning 243 purchased new in 1964 /65. Its mounted w/ a 3x9 Redfield mounted at time of rifle purchase. I believe that ol' 243 has a sako action.
  

My fir deer rifle was a Marlin 336 purchased  new in i believe 1979, I was 8. I got a Winchester model 70 ranger in 30-06. Still have both.