Pictures link.
https://www.4shared.com/folder/oGLHzcwW/Winchester_1890_Pictures.html

Bob

bob

jsgwoodsman said

XLIV said
I passed on one just like it recently that had wrong sights and custom stock. Got 20 miles down the road, turned around and it was gone.
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This happens to me anytime I walk away from a deal to "think about it". 
Sometimes it's for the best, sometimes not!
  

Sometimes you gotta listen to that little voice and walk away. OTOH if you pick it up off the rack or table more than twice it needs to go home with you. 

Mike

Instead of doing that, shoot it the way it is, if you must! They will still shoot decent enough, with a 5/10 bore. They're not known to be really all that reliable as a .22 caliber shooter, as a well known fact, is that the magazine issues with them can be many. The main reason Winchester came out with the M-1890, .22 Caliber pump rifle.

Less than 20,000 were mfg, in over the 720,000 M-1873 Rifles, carbines, and muskets. 

More of a collector than a shooter. IMO!

As a collector of them, I would classify a person, as "Nuts", doing that! IMHO!

That's why the ones out there, fetch a pretty penny, because some out there have been owned by "Nuts"! LOL!

Anthony

jsgwoodsman said

Anthony said
Nice example Joel,
As I just completed a 7 rifle, .22 caliber trade, for an unbelievable, high condition Custom Winchester Rifle, with a well known Collector/Dealer, and one of the prizes, was a "Smoothbore", M-67, with a Chrome bolt as yours is, and it was no less than 95-98%, according to his and my opinion. Looks like the twin to the one that you have in all reality, as the barrel blue was so good, you could still see the fine factory tooling lines in the original dark bluing, (like yours does), that we like to see. She was a safe queen and never saw the range, as thee bore was pretty darn shiny!
Enjoy you're find, I haven't seen too many in my years of collecting, or even heard of them.
 
Tony
  

Thanks Tony,
For clarification, did you trade away the above mentioned M-67 Smooth Bore, or take it in through the trade? If you ended up with it, I'd love to see photos - especially of the Smooth Bore stamp for comparison.
In discussing this with a gentleman on rimfirecentral who collects 67s, he told me the following:
"Model #G6720R. It was authorized in late 1936, but didn't appear in the catalogs until 1938. It was last cataloged in 1947. It has a 27" barrel and standard 67 sights (32B rear and 75C front). I've seen smoothbores with all three stock configurations that occurred during that time period (grooved forearm, blunt forearm, post-war tapered forearm). All of them had the 'Smooth Bore' marking on the left side of the barrel, just behind the rear sight."
*It would be interesting to see catalogs for 1938-47 to confirm these eing offered. All I have is a 1938 Salesman catalogue and it doesn't mention the smooth bore... although it does mention being able to order model 71s in calibers other than 348 wcf!
  

Yes,  I traded it away as part of a 7 rifle trade!  It was marked Identical to you're, and the exact same configuration, including the same sights.

Tony

Anthony said
Nice example Joel,
As I just completed a 7 rifle, .22 caliber trade, for an unbelievable, high condition Custom Winchester Rifle, with a well known Collector/Dealer, and one of the prizes, was a "Smoothbore", M-67, with a Chrome bolt as yours is, and it was no less than 95-98%, according to his and my opinion. Looks like the twin to the one that you have in all reality, as the barrel blue was so good, you could still see the fine factory tooling lines in the original dark bluing, (like yours does), that we like to see. She was a safe queen and never saw the range, as thee bore was pretty darn shiny!
Enjoy you're find, I haven't seen too many in my years of collecting, or even heard of them.
 
Tony
  

Thanks Tony,

For clarification, did you trade away the above mentioned M-67 Smooth Bore, or take it in through the trade? If you ended up with it, I'd love to see photos - especially of the Smooth Bore stamp for comparison.

In discussing this with a gentleman on rimfirecentral who collects 67s, he told me the following:

"Model #G6720R. It was authorized in late 1936, but didn't appear in the catalogs until 1938. It was last cataloged in 1947. It has a 27" barrel and standard 67 sights (32B rear and 75C front). I've seen smoothbores with all three stock configurations that occurred during that time period (grooved forearm, blunt forearm, post-war tapered forearm). All of them had the 'Smooth Bore' marking on the left side of the barrel, just behind the rear sight."

*It would be interesting to see catalogs for 1938-47 to confirm these being offered. All I have is a 1938 Salesman catalogue and it doesn't mention the smooth bore... although it does mention being able to order model 71s in calibers other than 348 wcf!

XLIV said
I passed on one just like it recently that had wrong sights and custom stock. Got 20 miles down the road, turned around and it was gone.
44
  

This happens to me anytime I walk away from a deal to "think about it". 

Sometimes it's for the best, sometimes not!

As I just completed a 7 rifle, .22 caliber trade, for an unbelievable, high condition Custom Winchester Rifle, with a well known Collector/Dealer, and one of the prizes, was a "Smoothbore", M-67, with a Chrome bolt as yours is, and it was no less than 95-98%, according to his and my opinion. Looks like the twin to the one that you have in all reality, as the barrel blue was so good, you could still see the fine factory tooling lines in the original dark bluing, (like yours does), that we like to see. She was a safe queen and never saw the range, as thee bore was pretty darn shiny!

Enjoy you're find, I haven't seen too many in my years of collecting, or even heard of them.

Tony

The model 67 smooth bore was introduced in September of 1936 with standard rifle sights. With the Miniature target bore introduced on April 24th 1940. It had a 24 inch smooth bore skeet choke barrel with the same sight as the model 12.

jsgwoodsman said

Jeremy P said
Are we sure of the factory smooth bore version? I can't remember any references to these...looks like a non standard font stamping but that pic doesn't load up to sufficient size for me...link me to a reference if there is one, would like to read about it!
  

Jeremy,
I don’t have a specific link readily available. I’ve read about these for decades. Back before they were “collectable”.
Apparently the most common variation is the regular 27” 22 s,l,lr M67 barrel with rifle sights, reamed out to smooth bore by the factory, and the “smooth bore” stamp added just below/behind the rear barrel sight.
Ive read that there are up to 4 variations of the “smooth bore” stamp, and have seen them in early finger grooved stocks. 
There’s also a “for shot only” variation w/ a 24” barrel that came with a single bead or double bead sight arrangement. 
This could be a “fake”. It wasn’t advertised or priced as anything special. The barrel finish appears 100% original to me. 
I can’t remember if there’s any reference to these in Houze’s single shot book, but think there was… 
Clear as mud - right!
  

Interesting on the differing stampings, I will have to keep an eye out in the wild for these!

Steven Gabrielli said

Jeremy P said
Are we sure of the factory smooth bore version? I can't remember any references to these...looks like a non standard font stamping but that pic doesn't load up to sufficient size for me...link me to a reference if there is one, would like to read about it!
  

Madis discusses the smoothbore in the Winchester Handbook, states offered starting in 1936.
  

Thanks I'll look there and the mentioned Houze single shot book....must've missed that on my previous read-through...but, I also have CRS...so....

EDIT: p. 151 of the Houze book, very quick mention.