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                    <title>Zebulon on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,  Chuck,  but I'm tapped after that EG. I need go clear my head and my bench and get some .300 rounds loaded for the range. </p>
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                    <title>Chuck on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
I am going to revive this semi-compliant thread for just one more post, as a public announcement for the benefit those who, like me, were ignorant of some important (for Savage 99 collectors) facts:<br />
1. Cody Firearms Museum has possession of the Savage manufacturing log archives and offers letter services for Savage 1895 and 1899 and 99 rifles. This service was formerly offered by amateur historians in cooperation with Savage. Wisely, the company has since either gifted or loaned these historical documents to Cody so its staff can continue the good work. As most know, there are record gaps but Cody can advise what serial ranges are not available. <br />
2. For Model 99 rifles produced during the years 1949 to 1970,  the lever boss was stamped with one or two numbers identifying an inspector, followed by a letter, all inside a circle. The letter is a code for the year of manufacture. <br />
I have the LEVER BOSS CODE index and will furnish it to any member who PMs me his or her email address. I don't think I can attach a PDF to a forum message. I  got the index from Gemini and Googling "Savage Lever Boss Codes" would probably retrieve it, too. This code is as accurate a d.o.m. determinant as any I can think of, for the 1948 - 1970 date range.<br />
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<p>Saw some nice 95's and 99's in Greeley. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2026 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2026 21:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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<strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
I am going to revive this semi-compliant thread for just one more post, as a public announcement for the benefit those who, like me, were ignorant of some important (for Savage 99 collectors) facts:<br />
1. Cody Firearms Museum has possession of the Savage manufacturing log archives and offers letter services for Savage 1895 and 1899 and 99 rifles. This service was formerly offered by amateur historians in cooperation with Savage. Wisely, the company has since either gifted or loaned these historical documents to Cody so its staff can continue the good work. As most know, there are record gaps but Cody can advise what serial ranges are not available. <br />
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<p>Just further to Bill’s informative post:</p>
<p><strong>CODY FIREARMS RECORDS</strong><br />
Available serial number range for Savage Model 1895/1899/99</p>
<p>• 3156-8200 (Model <strong>1895</strong>)</p>
<p>• 10000-371200 (Model <strong>1899/99</strong>)</p>
<p>• 371201-399999 no data</p>
<p>• 400000-529152 (limited data)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2026 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I am going to revive this semi-compliant thread for just one more post, as a public announcement for the benefit those who, like me, were ignorant of some important (for Savage 99 collectors) facts:</p>
<p>1. Cody Firearms Museum has possession of the Savage manufacturing log archives and offers letter services for Savage 1895 and 1899 and 99 rifles. This service was formerly offered by amateur historians in cooperation with Savage. Wisely, the company has since either gifted or loaned these historical documents to Cody so its staff can continue the good work. As most know, there are record gaps but Cody can advise what serial ranges are not available. </p>
<p>2. For Model 99 rifles produced during the years 1949 to 1970,  the lever boss was stamped with one or two numbers identifying an inspector, followed by a letter, all inside a circle. The letter is a code for the year of manufacture. </p>
<p>I have the LEVER BOSS CODE index and will furnish it to any member who PMs me his or her email address. I don't think I can attach a PDF to a forum message. I  got the index from Gemini and Googling "Savage Lever Boss Codes" would probably retrieve it, too. This code is as accurate a d.o.m. determinant as any I can think of, for the 1948 - 1970 date range.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2026 02:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on model 1894 25-35 WCF</title>
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<p><strong>bStrongTO said </strong><br />
Thanks for the ideas and advice. This has been passed down and was in the back of the safe for a reason 🤣. I did get the letter and nothing special just shipped 1911. The notes past down to us was he had new stock and re blued by Packmayr in 1970, for some reason. <br />
A discussion I had from another forum was multiple other guns we have is stocks from Packmayr and was told no way did they sell stocks or gunsmithing back in late 60s-70s. They only sell pads. So since I thought this was an easy one to take apart and see if any markings that’s how the stock split when trying to put back on. My experienc e level is a 2 on taking guns apart.<br />
The finish is just wrong for this gun, It look likes it’s brand new not a classic. So I’m thinking I can’t do much more damage experimenting on this 1894? Thinking 0000 and then a little oil on the wood? And Scotch Bright on receiver, vinegar on the screws? Just searching around internet how to remove bluing.<br />
Thanks<br />
Brian</p>
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<p>Brian, Pachmayr Gun Works still offered custom gun services up until the early Eighties, not completely eliminating all such services until sometime in the mid-Eighties.  In 1975,  for example, If you had enough long green for a custom rifle built from scratch, the custom gun department of PGW would take the order, offer you a selection of stock blanks, make, checker and finish the stock, modify an action, chamber, fit and headspace a barrel, etc-- and if you had money left, would engrave the gun and inlay images of Nordic maidens holding cornucopias spilling over with fruit and sausages....</p>
<p>Frank Pachmayr was the son of crusty old August Pachmayr, who had been apprenticed  in the Old Country and could  build entire double guns by hand with only files, paper and a hand drill. </p>
<p>Anyone who doubts this has only to peruse the Custom Guns section of the editions of Gun Digest published during the Sixies and Seventies to see their work illustrated. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2026 00:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on model 1894 25-35 WCF</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Others may disagree but you have a choice. You can leave it bare and keep oxidation limited by wiping it down with one of the newer molecular bonding compounds like BreakFree CLP;</p>
<p>Or you can use one of the better cold blues like Brownell's Oxpho. The interesting thing about Oxpho is it actually works better when you don't degrease the steel. The result is a soft, grayish blue that some like and some don't. </p>
<p>There are other coatings but I don't think they're suitable for a Winchester lever action carbine. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2026 09:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for the recommendations</p>
<p>Like father like son! I may have made this 94’ again so distasteful, but I tried to change the non professionals in 1970 that may have saved this 1911 from any real rust? To me it’s super clean zero rust, a few pits and need to finish the stock, but unfortunately I know very little about nickel steel but I tried a few things, and at the end of the day the bluing had to come off. The question is what’s the next step other than keep it oiled and shoot the crap out of it for the first time in @ 60years and save it for the grandkids to make a buck or 2? I keeled the butt plate for the memory 🤣<img data-upload="1" data-width="3961" data-height="1235" title="IMG_1377.jpeg" alt="IMG_1377.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bstrongto/2026/05/IMG_1377.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="IMG_1372.jpeg" alt="IMG_1372.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bstrongto/2026/05/IMG_1372.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="1883" title="IMG_1374.jpeg" alt="IMG_1374.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bstrongto/2026/05/IMG_1374.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="3995" data-height="1932" title="IMG_1370.jpeg" alt="IMG_1370.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bstrongto/2026/05/IMG_1370.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="IMG_1375.jpeg" alt="IMG_1375.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bstrongto/2026/05/IMG_1375.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4019" data-height="945" title="IMG_1368.jpeg" alt="IMG_1368.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bstrongto/2026/05/IMG_1368.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="4032" data-height="3024" title="IMG_1373.jpeg" alt="IMG_1373.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bstrongto/2026/05/IMG_1373.jpeg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2026 01:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on model 1894 25-35 WCF</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Brian, it isn't necessary to put oil on the wood, which is already sealed by the prior finish. All you need to do is flatten the reflective top molecules of the existing finish, reducing it's shine to a satin refectivity. You are not going to cut through the existing finish to the wood. </p>
<p>An "oil finish" is not made of raw linseed oil but rather "boiled linseed oil" which really means oil with chemical drying agents added so the finish will harden. It is really an "oil/varnish" finish. You are not going to create such a thing because the finish already on the wood will be just fine once you deal with it properly. </p>
<p>ScotchBrite will remove bluing but don't use one that is too coarse or you'll scratch the steel. You might want to add a drop of lubricant to the steel while working on the blue. </p>
<p>Go slow and first find an image on this forum or Cody and keep it in view while you work. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with your result. I'd leave off the vinegar. Don't remove any steel from the screws or distort the slots. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>bStrongTO on model 1894 25-35 WCF</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the ideas and advice. This has been passed down and was in the back of the safe for a reason 🤣. I did get the letter and nothing special just shipped 1911. The notes past down to us was he had new stock and re blued by Packmayr in 1970, for some reason. <br />
A discussion I had from another forum was multiple other guns we have is stocks from Packmayr and was told no way did they sell stocks or gunsmithing back in late 60s-70s. They only sell pads. So since I thought this was an easy one to take apart and see if any markings that’s how the stock split when trying to put back on. My experience level is a 2 on taking guns apart.</p>
<p>The finish is just wrong for this gun, It look likes it’s brand new not a classic. So I’m thinking I can’t do much more damage experimenting on this 1894? Thinking 0000 and then a little oil on the wood? And Scotch Bright on receiver, vinegar on the screws? Just searching around internet how to remove bluing.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 17:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Winchester Model 12 16 ga</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Understood.  I'd hesitate to shoot it as well. Even the best Damascus can develop invisible pinholes and cost some fingers. </p>
<p>But,  sometime if you will pull that old treasure out and photograph it with your usual thoroughness, give me access to the high res "negatives" and I'll make you a collage.  I just found my stash of 16×20 photo paper that is going to waste.</p>
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                    <title>tim tomlinson on Winchester Model 12 16 ga</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert,  Get it out and fondle it at least!  When you get home of course.  I do not know how or why, but soo many of the guns we talk about wiggle their way to the backs of the gun safe!  The aftermarket modified sight on the 1895 musket in .30-06 is not in the back YET, but far enough back to be a right PIA to get out was I even to try my photographic skills to satisfy that thread from recently.  I've a very nice Parker VH that IS in the back that ought to be shot or handled, too!  Tim</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Winchester Model 12 16 ga</title>
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Zebulon said</p>
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Bert H. said<br />
I am definitely in the "Or more..." category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>You have an admirable lack of self restraint. <br />
My own balance tilts the other way: 4 Winchester and 8 Browning. But the fat lady may not have sung yet. <br />
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<p>This is embarrassing... I somehow forgot to mention the 17th shotgun I have buried in the back of one of my safes.  It is a 1902 production Ithaca Grade 2 Lewis Model 12 gauge SxS with Damascus tubes.  It was my Great Grandfather's gun, inherited by my father in the late 1950s, and I inherited it from him in 1999. <br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Restricted to Quarters until you post at least 3 photos. The Ithaca was the American Purdey and a Grade 2 was not seen every day. <br />
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<p>Bill,</p>
<p>More correctly it would take pulling my "Liberty card". <a href="https://grandpasnavy.blogspot.com/2012/06/liberty-cards-leave-passes-and-meal.html" target="_blank">GRANDPA'S NAVY: Liberty cards, leave passes and meal tickets (grandpasnavy.blogspot.com)</a></p>
<p>Pictures will have to wait for awhile... I am currently in Oregon (Astoria area) tending to busy work &#038; chores at the homestead, and I do not have any pictures of that old gun (never took any of it).  Due to its age and construction, it sits in the very back corner of my older gun safe (in a protective gun sock).  It has not seen the light of day in at least 20-years now. </p>
<p>While I have never actually measured it, I believe that it has short 2-5/8" chambers.  Couple with the old Damascus barrels, I decided long ago that I most likely would not ever try shooting it.  I do know that my dad hunted grouse &#038; pheasant with it in the mid to late 1940s.  He had it on loan from his grandpa when he was still in high-school in Gresham Oregon.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Winchester Model 12 16 ga</title>
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Bert H. said<br />
I am definitely in the "Or more..." category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>You have an admirable lack of self restraint. <br />
My own balance tilts the other way: 4 Winchester and 8 Browning. But the fat lady may not have sung yet. <br />
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<p>This is embarrassing... I somehow forgot to mention the 17th shotgun I have buried in the back of one of my safes.  It is a 1902 production Ithaca Grade 2 Lewis Model 12 gauge SxS with Damascus tubes.  It was my Great Grandfather's gun, inherited by my father in the late 1950s, and I inherited it from him in 1999. <br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Restricted to Quarters until you post at least 3 photos. The Ithaca was the American Purdey and a Grade 2 was not seen every day. </p>
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Bert H. said<br />
I am definitely in the "Or more..." category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>You have an admirable lack of self restraint. <br />
My own balance tilts the other way: 4 Winchester and 8 Browning. But the fat lady may not have sung yet. <br />
  </p>
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<p>This is embarrassing... I somehow forgot to mention the 17th shotgun I have buried in the back of one of my safes.  It is a 1902 production Ithaca Grade 2 Lewis Model 12 gauge SxS with Damascus tubes.  It was my Great Grandfather's gun, inherited by my father in the late 1950s, and I inherited it from him in 1999. </p>
<p>Bert</p>
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