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                    <title>Zebulon on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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<p><strong>Rick C said </strong><br />
Just a quick homemade comparison!</p>
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<p>That illustrates how far back JMB had to get the 1895 bolt to withdraw for those torpedo-length cartridges! </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I do like the rifle <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 20:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark. What would we do without Buffalo Arms?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 19:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick homemade comparison!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>To remind us that the Texas Rangers were a forward looking agency and were quick to see just how much more effective the Winchester 1895 was - usually in 30-40 Krag - than the pistol cartridge carbines of the day. </p>
<p>The Rangers were bold but intelligent men who thought it made more sense to deal with an enemy at 200 yards when possible. The 95 was superior in that respect to any other quick firing repeater, at least until the automatic Remington Model 8 came along. Even then,  the 30/32/35 rimless series could not match the external ballistics of the Krag, much less the 30 Govt '06. </p>
<p>The Ranger in the photo seems confident and happy with his 1895 carbine. Some of them actually preferred the full length rifle. Further proof of the historical importance of Browning's last lever action. [<span style="background-color: inherit">excerpted from Venturino's lever action book, Page 257.] </span><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="4032" title="20260619_121154.jpg" alt="20260619_121154.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/zebulon/2026/06/20260619_121154.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Mark Douglas on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Buffalo Arms currently has Bertram 38-72 brass in stock:</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 17:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Given manufacturing methods of the time,  .024 is not a lot of excess.  I'd guess there could be enough variance in rim and gun part diameters to allow a necked down 405 case to function, at least some of them. </p>
<p>And if worst came to worst,  somebody could wrap a 405 case with painter's tape for protection, chuck the neck and body into a half-inch drill, and reduce the rim with 60 grit paper, checking constantly with a pre-set caliper. </p>
<p>Happily, I won't have to struggle with component-finding and modifying to run up 38/72 cartridges.  We can all vicariously enjoy friend Rick's journey through that particular desert and cheer him on while drinking cold beer. </p>
<p>Unless the Aussies are still making some 38/72 brass, anyone waiting on Starline needs to bring lunch and a lantern, based on my experience with a backorder of .41 Colt brass. To their credit, they honored the backorder just short of its second anniversary. Amex let me know about the fact because I'd gotten frustrated and ordered 250 cases. </p>
<p>Last time I looked, Hornady 405 brass was available but at scalpers prices.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 16:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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<p>Bert H. said<br />
The 38-72 case can be made using a 405 WCF case, but you will need to turn down the rim from .543" to .519".  The case lengths are identical as is the base diameter.  Simply squeeze the neck from .436" down to .397" and reduce the rim diameter.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>In the absence of a lathe,  has anyone tried turning down rims with a drill press and a file?  <br />
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<p>Zeb-</p>
<p>It may be worthwhile to measure the cases and see if the subject 38-72 bolt will handle them. Some older cartridges I'm familiar with the rim dimensions have varied a bit from nominal over the years, especially for non-SAAMI cartridges. I understand SAAMI has specs for the 405 but not the 38-72. OTOH I'd very much prefer to use correct headstamp brass if available.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 15:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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<p>Bert H. said<br />
The 38-72 case can be made using a 405 WCF case, but you will need to turn down the rim from .543" to .519".  The case lengths are identical as is the base diameter.  Simply squeeze the neck from .436" down to .397" and reduce the rim diameter.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>In the absence of a lathe,  has anyone tried turning down rims with a drill press and a file?  <br />
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<p>Yes, I've done it.  You will be surprised how hard the rim is.  The diameter does not need to be perfectly round but just fit the chamber.  I was working on a set up to use my neck turner to trim the rims but never got it done.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 15:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong><br />
The 38-72 case can be made using a 405 WCF case, but you will need to turn down the rim from .543" to .519".  The case lengths are identical as is the base diameter.  Simply squeeze the neck from .436" down to .397" and reduce the rim diameter.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>In the absence of a lathe,  has anyone tried turning down rims with a drill press and a file?  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The 38-72 case can be made using a 405 WCF case, but you will need to turn down the rim from .543" to .519".  The case lengths are identical as is the base diameter.  Simply squeeze the neck from .436" down to .397" and reduce the rim diameter.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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<p><strong>Rick C said </strong><br />
Bill if I can acquire some reloads, a range report will follow. With the cost of original cartridges, it might be a one shot report 😊<br />
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<p>Rick-</p>
<p>Good luck finding brass. I understand it's based on the 405 Winchester but Venturino was able to obtain brass from Bertram when he wrote about the 38-72 in "Shooting Leverguns of the Old West". Interestingly, his loaner test gun was an early flatside very much like yours!</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 00:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bill if I can acquire some reloads, a range report will follow. With the cost of original cartridges, it might be a one shot report 😊</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 00:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Early 3 digit 1895 flat side acquisition </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>.379 - noted. Thanks.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Winchester letter question??</title>
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<p><strong>helidriver72 said </strong><br />
Heres the correct info, I’m pretty excited to see that the Lyman model 21 receiver sight letters. I suspected it would since it had the platinum dots on the yardage marks.<br />
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WINCHESTER MODEL 1895 - SERIAL NUMBER 9304<br />
Serial number applied on June 14, 1898<br />
Type: Rifle<br />
Caliber: 30<br />
Sights: Lyman receiver and front<br />
Received in warehouse on September 06, 1898<br />
Shipped from warehouse on September 09, 1898, Order number 4873<br />
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<p>That is great news. You.scored a real bargain. It's all right as rain. And shootable, to boot, in a good, useful caliber. For example, the 300 Savage is a fairly flat shooting 30 caliber cartridge for moderate range hunting - say up to around 250 real yards - of big deer. Lots of Elk and Moose have fallen to it and not a few of the big bears. The 30 Krag beats it ballistically, in every way. </p>
<p>With your kind of luck, you might could hire out as a Casino guide. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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