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                    <title>mrcvs on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong><br />
Winchester's warehouse ledger records with very rare exception did not include the shipping destination, just the Order number.  I suspect that Winchester maintained separate Order number records in the shipping department that would have told us who the guns were sold to and the shipping destination.  Unfortunately, the whereabouts of those records has not ever been discovered. <br />
What is known, is that in mid-year 1907 (when Winchester abandoned the use of the old-style ledger books in favor of individual index cards), the shipping destination was nearly always included on the index record cards.  For the Models 1873 and 1886, the index card records were not destroyed, and they are used to create the CFM research sheets or factory letters.  In the late Single Shot ledger records (this was the last model to use the ledger book record keeping), the "Sold to" information is sometimes listed.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>I forgot about those later index cards containing the destination location.</p>
<p>My guess is there were ledgers indicating the shipping location but these were sacrificed to feed the factory furnaces decades ago.</p>
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                    <title>Tedk on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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<p><strong>mrcvs said </strong><br />
I received the factory letter yesterday.  And here it is:</p>
<p>Interestingly, this rifle lettered to an attorney in Santa Fe, New Mexico.  He was also a Civil War veteran.<br />
<a href="https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3867820/eugene_allen-fiske" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3867820/eugene_allen-fiske</a><br />
And this is why you letter your firearms.  It makes them so much more interesting.<br />
I hate to say what should have—what could have, but why don’t Winchester rifles have a ship location on them?  How did they record this data, or how was it different than with other manufacturers?  For example, Roy Jinks has shown me entries in Smith &#038; Wesson’s ledgers, and it usually gives a serial number, finish, barrel length, finish, etc, and then a ship location.  Some were so commonplace that they were literally rubber stamped in the ledger.<br />
With regards to this Savage 1899, I wonder why the date accepted, I assume this means into the warehouse, was 26 October 1903 and this didn’t ship until 25 March 1905.  It seems that this would have shipped soon after ordered, either for stock somewhere, or to an individual.  But, as we know from Winchester rifles, some sat in the warehouse for years prior to shipping.<br />
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<p>Good Stuff!</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Winchester's warehouse ledger records with very rare exception did not include the shipping destination, just the Order number.  I suspect that Winchester maintained separate Order number records in the shipping department that would have told us who the guns were sold to and the shipping destination.  Unfortunately, the whereabouts of those records has not ever been discovered. </p>
<p>What is known, is that in mid-year 1907 (when Winchester abandoned the use of the old-style ledger books in favor of individual index cards), the shipping destination was nearly always included on the index record cards.  For the Models 1873 and 1886, the index card records were not destroyed, and they are used to create the CFM research sheets or factory letters.  In the late Single Shot ledger records (this was the last model to use the ledger book record keeping), the "Sold to" information is sometimes listed.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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                    <title>Chuck on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The records that said where they went weren't saved.  Maybe Savage didn't save them?<img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_4409-a.jpg" alt="IMG_4409-a.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/cwachter/2026/04/IMG_4409-a.jpg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2026 17:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tionesta1 on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Great letter that adds to the interest of your model 99.  </p>
<p>I don't know why Winchester didn't include the shipping location on most of the guns, but I'm sure someone with more knowledge of this will respond.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting the letter.</p>
<p>Al</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I received the factory letter yesterday.  And here it is:</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="3024" data-height="2268" title="IMG_4409.jpeg" alt="IMG_4409.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/mrcvs/2026/04/IMG_4409.jpeg" /></p>
<p>Interestingly, this rifle lettered to an attorney in Santa Fe, New Mexico.  He was also a Civil War veteran.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3867820/eugene_allen-fiske" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3867820/eugene_allen-fiske</a></p>
<p>And this is why you letter your firearms.  It makes them so much more interesting.</p>
<p>I hate to say what should have—what could have, but why don’t Winchester rifles have a ship location on them?  How did they record this data, or how was it different than with other manufacturers?  For example, Roy Jinks has shown me entries in Smith &#038; Wesson’s ledgers, and it usually gives a serial number, finish, barrel length, finish, etc, and then a ship location.  Some were so commonplace that they were literally rubber stamped in the ledger.</p>
<p>With regards to this Savage 1899, I wonder why the date accepted, I assume this means into the warehouse, was 26 October 1903 and this didn’t ship until 25 March 1905.  It seems that this would have shipped soon after ordered, either for stock somewhere, or to an individual.  But, as we know from Winchester rifles, some sat in the warehouse for years prior to shipping.</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looks like everything is well into its second century and well cared-for. Wow!</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Some items from a friend. I am particularly interested in the GLOBE 12 gauge double barrel shotgun sight and the SMOKELESS POWDER can. Any comments regarding anything shown will be appreciated<img data-upload="1" data-width="640" data-height="480" title="P1050111.JPG" alt="P1050111.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/86win/2026/04/P1050111.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="640" data-height="480" title="P1050112.JPG" alt="P1050112.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/86win/2026/04/P1050112.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="640" data-height="480" title="P1050113.JPG" alt="P1050113.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/86win/2026/04/P1050113.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="640" data-height="480" title="P1050114.JPG" alt="P1050114.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/86win/2026/04/P1050114.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="640" data-height="480" title="P1050115.JPG" alt="P1050115.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/86win/2026/04/P1050115.JPG" width="100" height="75" /></p>
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                    <title>Bill Hanzel on Winchester 1886 Short Magazine</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Now that’s the good stuff, thanks</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>It's a 24In barrel in 45-70.  The Enfield has a couple of Confederate Anchor markings on it, but that's just my preliminary guess. The gentleman I purchased them from had the Winchester hanging above his fireplace for almost 40 years.  I was working out the details on a Right of Way Agreement with the gentleman a few months ago and noticed the 86.  I finally decided to call him about the Winchester and to my surprise he said yes only if I buy both.</p>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Winchester 1886 Short Magazine</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hell, I'd like to hear about the blunderbuss too!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2026 23:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bill!<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Looks like a 45-70!</p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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<p><strong>Bill Hanzel said </strong><br />
Ok, I like the pic’s but you gotta give us more details…. Caliber, barrell length…. Help those of us who don’t own it wish we did … <br />
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<p>Amen Brother!!</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I like the pic’s but you gotta give us more details…. Caliber, barrell length…. Help those of us who don’t own it wish we did … </p>
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                    <title>JesseH on Winchester 1886 Short Magazine</title>
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<p>Sometimes you go for one and another one follows you home.</p>
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